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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    It's harmless, until your friend (or someone else's friend) becomes the next Adam Lanza.
    Lanza stol that rifle after killing it's owner, who did pass a backround check when she bought it, he didn't buy it privately.

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    Currently, yes, because of the gun show loophole (among others).
    That's not a loophole.
    Loophole
    : a means of escape; especially: an ambiguity or omission in the text through which the intent of a statute, contract, or obligation may be evaded
    The original intent of Gun Control Act and FOPA did not include a desire to run a backround check on every single gun sale ever. The rule only applied to FFL holders. No FFL mean no expectation to perform a background check. Likewise you don't need to use a licensed auto dealer to sell your car.

    Gun control only makes crime worse.

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    You are completely missing the point... This is not a government inspired or mandated technology... This was manufactured by someone in the private market, for use on the private market. If a government agency were to purchase these guns, they would be supporting private enterprise and doing so in a way that would control the use of state weapons.
    I believe the concern is that some in the government might try to mandate it. Personally...I think they are far more likely to continue with bans than this.

    As a defensive weapon it makes no sense. You have to load in a 5 digit code into the watch before you can use it. You cant switch hands if need be. You cant shoot weak hand with this weapon. All presuming of course everything works. More than worried about the weapon itself I would be worried about the announced DoJ finanical incentives to develop more of these types of weapons.

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    For all gun retailers, you would perform a background check prior to completing the transaction. No background check = no weapon sold. How is that impossible to enforce?



    It's harmless, until your friend (or someone else's friend) becomes the next Adam Lanza. Then, when they track the handgun and find, oh ****, it's registered to you, the cops are gonna come after you, wanting to know how and why your friend got your gun. Since the registration can't change hands without the background check, the gun would still be registered to you, and you can be held liable for anything he does with it. It's a responsibility measure - when law-abiding gun owners find that they can be busted for failing to secure their weapons, they will take more care with them (including who they loan them out to). Thus, less guns in the hands of bad guys, because it becomes harder for them to acquire them. If you can't buy a gun commercially, and you can't buy a gun at a gunshow, and you don't know anyone willing to loan out their weapons, how exactly do bad guys get guns? It's possible, sure, but it becomes a lot harder and a lot more expensive.
    how do you enforce it when two people don't want to be bothered with going to a gun shop and having the dealer (at a fee) run the background check


    how are all those thugs in Chicago able to get guns? YOu seem to think the black market won't increase


    Adam Lanza killed to get a gun-stupid analogy by you



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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'[W:196]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You don't get it, do you?

    The 2nd Amendment was included in the constitution to protect our freedom

    Like the freedom to threaten a businesswoman because wingnuts don't like the product she's selling
    more like the freedom of leftwing nuts to make such unsupported claims that she was threatened on leftwing disinformation sites like the NYT



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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    or here is a thought, criminals sometimes purchase their guns leagally.
    actually that is correct if they are not a criminal at the time they buy the gun. If they buy a gun and they already have a felony, no they did not. If you have a clean record and buy a gun with the intent of using it for a crime-guess what-that is a felony



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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    It's harmless, until your friend (or someone else's friend) becomes the next Adam Lanza.
    Then lets not allow each other to buy and sell cars, may sell one to a serial DUI convict.

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    How is it not? If only one accident is ever prevented because a gun refused to fire because the owner was not handling it, is it not worth it?

    If we mandate safety equipment on cars that will be so expensive half of America can't afford a car, but it saves one life, will that be worth it?


    After all, cars kill more people than guns.


    (the answer is no)

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    Re: Gun enthusiasts threaten woman for marketing 'safer gun'

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    or here is a thought, criminals sometimes purchase their guns leagally.
    Felons never purchase a gun legally. It is against federal law(not to get into the constitutionality of it at this point, just the law) for a felon to even handle a firearm. Whether a felon has a person straw buy for them(separate felony for the straw buyer, multiple felonies from "in possession" to "conspiracy" to federal perjury for both the felon and straw buyer), a black market sale is illegal, purchasing is a felony. Knowingly selling to a felon is a felony, there is nothing illegal about selling unknowingly to a prohibited person unless you are an FFL.
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    ‘Smart’ Firearm Draws Wrath of the Gun Lobby

    BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. — Belinda Padilla does not pick up unknown calls anymore, not since someone posted her cellphone number on an online forum for gun enthusiasts. A few fuming-mad voice mail messages and heavy breathers were all it took.

    Then someone snapped pictures of the address where she has a P.O. box and put those online, too. In a crude, cartoonish scrawl, this person drew an arrow to the blurred image of a woman passing through the photo frame. “Belinda?” the person wrote. “Is that you?”

    Her offense? Trying to market and sell a new .22-caliber handgun that uses a radio frequency-enabled stopwatch to identify the authorized user so no one else can fire it. Ms. Padilla and the manufacturer she works for, Armatix, intended to make the weapon the first “smart gun” for sale in the United States.
    Some of the very same people who tout the free market, and hate government control, are against someone buying a gun that will only fire for them and nobody else, and who are threatening her for making a gun like this? This is insane. I think smart guns are in our future.

    Look, I am all for the Second Amendment, and I support it strongly. I believe that a person should have as many guns as they want. For those who want a gun that cannot be fired if stolen, this is a good choice. For those others, who are afraid that the technology might allow the government to know who owns a gun, and what kind of gun, I have a very simple solution for you. Don't buy one. You have just as much of a right to a gun without the technology as she has to manufacture and sell one that does have the technology. It's the free market, dumbasses!!

    Article is here.
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