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Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

Top Cat said:
Generally speaking it's considered pathetic to laugh at one's own comments. Desperate even. If the shoe fits...
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Sure. Good for you! Let's stop playing ping pong, no one cares. Let's get back to the left's attacks on Palin, who they say doesn't matter, but can't stop talking about her. Shall we?
 
Kobie said:
It seems you are ignoring a report that contradicts his statements. Hey, whatever you gotta do to satisfy your bloodlust.
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My "bloodlust"?? You're really getting out there, Kobie!
 
Boo Radley said:
That had already been admitted to. He protects them by trying to support it worked. But the more recent informations says, no, it really didn't.
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So it's a matter of who do you believe, right? Hmmm. I believe Panetta, as was first reported. The Senate was PR.
 
Grant said:
So it's a matter of who do you believe, right? Hmmm. I believe Panetta, as was first reported. The Senate was PR.
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No. The report is when it was actually looked at. Such reports often carry far more weight than the director of anything. It's not a matter of he said he said. Remember, not Panetta, not Bush, not Rumsfeld, Not Cheney, not anyone has produced anything verifiable that they got from torture. So you have to take a huge leap in faith to accept their word, absent evidence.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
So it matters when you were born??? I mean you must of had so much influence on the hypocritical fear mongering NRA...



Naaa the NRA was influentialn in the early 30's and 40's. Mainly it just started to focus on sportsmen hunting and not this whole gun ho wild west ****. It wasnt until the mid to late 70's that it moved more and more right to become this "guns should be everywhere" ****. 1977 was the breakout year for the NRA when it decided to become this as far as i can tell "guns are cool" ****.
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you really don't know much of what you talk about.

The Dems politicized the NRA by using Gun control as a shield against the valid charges that Dems-especially Dem judges were soft on street criminals

you want to whine about the NRA because most of us in that group think socialism is a disease that ought to be flushed down the toilet. whining about guns is just a facade for what really upsets the loony left
 
Boo Radley said:
No. The report is when it was actually looked at. Such reports often carry far more weight than the director of anything. It's not a matter of he said he said. Remember, not Panetta, not Bush, not Rumsfeld, Not Cheney, not anyone has produced anything verifiable that they got from torture. So you have to take a huge leap in faith to accept their word, absent evidence.
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Oh, it's worth a shot. They wouldn't be doing it if it didn't yeild results, right? These are awful, terrible, horrible people. So what if we pull out a fingernail or two (if we are even doing that) or somebody gets a wet face? If it saves my kids, or someone elses, then let's keep on keepin' on!
 
Anthony60 said:
Oh, it's worth a shot. They wouldn't be doing it if it didn't yeild results, right? These are awful, terrible, horrible people. So what if we pull out a fingernail or two (if we are even doing that) or somebody gets a wet face? If it saves my kids, or someone elses, then let's keep on keepin' on!
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No, that logic doesn't really follow. They may well be doing it for a host of reasons. But you will find many in the military were responsible for bringing it to light, and cited that it didn't work. And we have had success using other methods. This is not an either / or type of proposition.

But, lets be clear, those promoting it can give us one true and verifiable example of it saving a life. Those who don't support it can give verifiable examples of us getting and using wrong intel and having tortured the wrong person. And as some of that intel was used to take us to war, you can reasonably argue we lost lives due to what we got and used.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, that logic doesn't really follow. They may well be doing it for a host of reasons. But you will find many in the military were responsible for bringing it to light, and cited that it didn't work. And we have had success using other methods. This is not an either / or type of proposition.

But, lets be clear, those promoting it can give us one true and verifiable example of it saving a life. Those who don't support it can give verifiable examples of us getting and using wrong intel and having tortured the wrong person.
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Well, I don't want the wrong people interrogated, I'm good with those that have useful information. Let's get that info, the best way we can, and save lives. I don't think finger sandwiches and crumpets will do it, so let's keep it enhanced ;) for our safety.

And as some of that intel was used to take us to war, you can reasonably argue we lost lives due to what we got and used.
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That's not true at all, we didn't go to war because of some possibly wrong info. There were many reasons to go into Iraq. Violation of the cease fire, for one. Iraq fired on our planes enforcing the no fly zone. You can stop right there.
 
Anthony60 said:
Well, I don't want the wrong people interrogated, I'm good with those that have useful information. Let's get that info, the best way we can, and save lives. I don't think finger sandwiches and crumpets will do it, so let's keep it enhanced ;) for our safety.
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Nor has anyone suggested finger sandwiches and crumpets, though one Iraqi US General did say he got far more intel by being nice than by being brutal. But, no one has suggested that. I do say if getting good intel effectively and consistently is your goal, torture is the wrong way to go about it. And the vidence supports me on that.

That's not true at all, we didn't go to war because of some possibly wrong info. There were many reasons to go into Iraq. Violation of the cease fire, for one. Iraq fired on our planes enforcing the no fly zone. You can stop right there.
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It is quite true that a significant part of the intel used to go to war was false testimony from someone we torture. And the violation you mention was with the UN, and not the US. So, you can't use it as justification. The point is, we took that false testimony and made a show of it as rationale to go to war.
 
Boo Radley said:
Nor has anyone suggested finger sandwiches and crumpets, though one Iraqi US General did say he got far more intel by being nice...
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I think we can rest assured that "being nice" with these people, that are absolute scumb of the Earth, will not work. But, let's try everything, and use whatever does work.

And the violation you mention was with the UN, and not the US. So, you can't use it as justification.
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No, those were our planes, our pilots being shot at. A clear violation and an act of war. No need to go any further. But, looks like we will just disagree on this.
 
Anthony60 said:
I think we can rest assured that "being nice" with these people, that are absolute scumb of the Earth, will not work. But, let's try everything, and use whatever does work.
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As I said, one US General disagrees with you and has evidence you don't have. That said, no one here has argued to be nice.


No, those were our planes, our pilots being shot at. A clear violation and an act of war. No need to go any further. But, looks like we will just disagree on this.
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Planes they couldn't hit. So, of no consequence. But even despite that, the violation was with the UN. You cannot use it as justification.
 
She might need a new heart too.
 
there is no definition of what a terrorist IS in the "patriot act", not a word about the guy being a male, Arab, whatever. If you empower the govt to do that, the decent to nazi type tyranny will be abrupt. Only fools and would be tyrants agree with torture. Guys will just lie under torture, and you waste resources checking their info. Why not just shot them and quite wasting time over them?
 
Anthony60 said:
As I said, we are not in agreement there.
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No, we're not, but the singlular point is that we did use intel gained from torture that was incorrect. It was used in the rationale for war. It was false.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, we're not, but the singlular point is that we did use intel gained from torture that was incorrect. It was used in the rationale for war. It was false.
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Yep, to be clear, we are not in agreement on that, either
 
99percenter said:
Torture is immoral and diminishes America's standing in the world. I hope the christians on this board will take offense to water boarding being compared to baptism.
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tell that to those who died on 9/11...
 
Obama a loser who vvoted against everything that got us ( not Obama) Osama..

God Bless Palin..

Obama would only waterboard his politcal enemies in the USA... like he has done using the IRS
 
Top Cat said:
Perhaps I should break out my hockey stick and all will be well.



Including waterboarding. Article 3, Geneva Conventions

Go ahead and rewrite history.
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You are clueless.. the do not get Geneva as they dont wear the uniform of a country....

wow.... you really have not a clue..
 
Top Cat said:
This is a woman who thinks her ancestors shared the world with T-Rex...and practices witchcraft. What more can you expect from a pig than a grunt?
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wow... lets pray for karma
 
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