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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    1. Waterboarding isn't torture.
    Have you been waterboarded? Didn't think so. People who HAVE been waterboarded will tell you it's torture.

    Christopher Hitchens got waterboarded. He says it's torture.


    Radio host Eric "Mancow" Muller got waterboarded. He says it's torture.

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    2. Our elite troops are waterboarded as part of their training.
    Yes, they do. TO PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING TORTURED.

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    If it is torture, then this part of their survival training would have to be axed, as torture is illegal.
    Technically, torture for training isn't illegal, but that's splitting hairs.

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    Palin's point was funny. Terrorists aren't loveable Disneyland characters, their aim is to kill, maim and control through terror. Waterboarding should be used when it is deemed the terrorist has information and has proven uncooperative.
    Nobody is claiming we should give terrorists (or, as it usually turns out, terror SUSPECTS) the comfy chair. Discounting the moral and ethical arguments against torture, there is also the fact that torture doesn't work. There is no evidence that one gets more actionable intelligence; in fact, it's generally considered counterproductive.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    If it's good enough for our troops, it's good enough for the evil pricks who intend to do massive harm... or would you prefer we not waterboard and perhaps risk another 911 scale attack.
    This is not an episode of 24.

    The only reason people advocate for torture is for mental revenge porn.
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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Are you saying that the only way to truly oppose terrorism is to support waterboarding?
    Good morning OD - to answer your question, no, I said no such thing.
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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

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    Nothing like combining Christian baptism and torture. Hey but im sure it god all the wacko idiots at the NRA convention real fired up. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    Torture? What torture?
    As described in the legal analysis waterboarding is not torture. As it seems to have been applied in three cases, where the frequency and duration must have been over the top, it probably could count as torture, though I am not sure. What I am sure of is that I would not want the then approved methods of enhanced interrogation applied to citizens or domestically. I wanted to know how bad it actually is and had tried it out and believe me, to describe the methods as then approved as torture is stupid. It is very unpleasant. A toothache is much worse.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Nothing like combining Christian baptism and torture. Hey but im sure it god all the wacko idiots at the NRA convention real fired up. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    We automatically murder high suspect targets, without them having even been proven to have committed a terrorist act or crime towards us. That's not only illegal by our own standards of justice, but it's not been working out too well. It's helped recruit and grow the ranks of terrorist organizations tremendously. Of course the supporters will say we haven't had another attack since 9/11, though the proactive stance hasn't been proven to be the cause, as much as a good defensive strategy consisting of stricter security methods.

    Torture and murder anyone that doesn't like you, using religious euphemisms is real Christian. No wonder our government has such low approval ratings and fiscal irresponsibility.
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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    I have not seen her lately, but the minute she else's her looks...she loses ALL interest for me.

    And politically, she never held much of my interest, she is non-too bright and seemingly rather arrogant...terrible combination.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    The deflection in defense of an idiot from the right is amazing.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Have you been waterboarded? Didn't think so. People who HAVE been waterboarded will tell you it's torture.

    Christopher Hitchens got waterboarded. He says it's torture.


    Radio host Eric "Mancow" Muller got waterboarded. He says it's torture.

    Yes, they do. TO PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING TORTURED.

    Technically, torture for training isn't illegal, but that's splitting hairs.

    Nobody is claiming we should give terrorists (or, as it usually turns out, terror SUSPECTS) the comfy chair. Discounting the moral and ethical arguments against torture, there is also the fact that torture doesn't work. There is no evidence that one gets more actionable intelligence; in fact, it's generally considered counterproductive.

    This is not an episode of 24.

    The only reason people advocate for torture is for mental revenge porn.
    See I wouldn't be so upset about the whole torture thing if America was just honest with itself.

    If they just came out and said

    "we will use all tools at our disposal to defend this country including torture".

    I still wouldn't like it, it would still be wrong, but at least there wouldn't be this nonsense about trying to save face "we don't torture" strutting around pretending you're all about human rights etc.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Have you been waterboarded? Didn't think so. People who HAVE been waterboarded will tell you it's torture.

    Christopher Hitchens got waterboarded. He says it's torture.


    Radio host Eric "Mancow" Muller got waterboarded. He says it's torture.



    Yes, they do. TO PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF BEING TORTURED.



    Technically, torture for training isn't illegal, but that's splitting hairs.



    Nobody is claiming we should give terrorists (or, as it usually turns out, terror SUSPECTS) the comfy chair. Discounting the moral and ethical arguments against torture, there is also the fact that torture doesn't work. There is no evidence that one gets more actionable intelligence; in fact, it's generally considered counterproductive.



    This is not an episode of 24.

    The only reason people advocate for torture is for mental revenge porn.
    Bottom line... you do not torture troops. Torture in any form is illegal and punishable.

    Waterboarding is not torture.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Bottom line... you do not torture troops. Torture in any form is illegal and punishable.

    Waterboarding is not torture.
    yes it is, and even in training you know going in that the people doing it are not intending to harm you.

    Oh and US prosecuted Japan for torture after WW2 for.......wait for it...................WATERBOARDING.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Torture is torture... and it doesn't matter who is administering it.

    If it is torture, our troops under the law should not be subjected to it. Or is there a law allowing some forms of torture that I'm unfamiliar with?
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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