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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Guys.. Palin waits a few months before getting on a podium and saying something stupid to get the Yokels cheering. No need to analyze it for this long.
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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well apparently some of the information needed to kill OBL came from water boarding
    Not according to the most recent Senate report from March 31.

    Senate report: Waterboarding didn't lead to Osama bin Laden (it's an AP story)

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A U.S. Senate investigation concludes waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods provided no key evidence in the hunt for Osama bin Laden, according to congressional aides and outside experts familiar with a still-secret, 6,200-page report. The finding could deepen the worst rift in years between lawmakers and the CIA.

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    The most high-profile detainee linked to the bin Laden investigation was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the accused Sept. 11 mastermind who was waterboarded 183 times. Mohammed, intelligence officials have noted, confirmed after his 2003 capture that he knew an important al-Qaeda courier with the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.

    The Senate report concludes such information wasn't critical, according to the aides. Mohammed only discussed al-Kuwaiti months after being waterboarded, while he was under standard interrogation, they said. And Mohammed neither acknowledged al-Kuwaiti's significance nor provided interrogators with the courier's real name.
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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well apparently some of the information needed to kill OBL came from water boarding
    Really? Actually no it didnt.
    Torture did not lead us to Osama bin Laden | Clare Algar | Comment is free | theguardian.com
    Senate report: Waterboarding didn't lead to Osama bin Laden
    http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/wp-c...hereabouts.pdf

    Hell even John McCain (huge warhawk) even said that it didnt lead to Bin Laden
    Bin Laden’s death and the debate over torture - The Washington Post

    But hey someone has to be a Bush torture apologist..


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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There is no evidence this is actually true.

    The only thing torture works for is to suppress internal dissent. When some rabblerouser disappears for six weeks and comes back 30 pounds lighter and with bandages on all his fingertips, people get the message. It doesn't work for obtaining actionable intelligence.
    Where did you get that information from? Torture works just fine, that is why it is used. The problem you run in to is that the person being tortured may tell his interrogators anything to get the torture to stop so you often get bad info. But you get the truth too.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There is no evidence this is actually true.

    The only thing torture works for is to suppress internal dissent. When some rabblerouser disappears for six weeks and comes back 30 pounds lighter and with bandages on all his fingertips, people get the message. It doesn't work for obtaining actionable intelligence.
    I disagree

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    One of the Mau Mau rebels was captured by the MS and his British Inspector General of that sector. The IG had been told by his superiors he was "to do what needed to be done" to put down the rebellion but apparently the home office didn't want to know the details. Well the rebel was questioned as to the location of the killers. He talked when he was interrogated with the use of a beer bottle and a rubber mallet. His information allowed the IG and his MS to find the rebel camp an the MS snuck into that camp and killed about half the group silently one night. The next day, the Mau may awoke to see what had happened. Shortly after Hawker Hurricanes napalmed the survivors.

    I never did learn what happened to the Mau Mau who got the beer bottle pounded up him. I suspect the brother of the woman he helped rape and murdered killed him after they got the information they needed



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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Where did you get that information from? Torture works just fine, that is why it is used. The problem you run in to is that the person being tortured may tell his interrogators anything to get the torture to stop so you often get bad info. But you get the truth too.
    Torture is not wrong, it just doesn't work, says former interrogator - Telegraph

    Torture Doesn’t Work, Neurobiologist Says | Harper's Magazine

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-s...re-doesnt-work

    The problem with getting bad info along with possibly some good info is that it becomes impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff. "Non-enhanced" interrogation has worked just fine for years.
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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The problem with getting bad info along with possibly some good info is that it becomes impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.
    Torture for verifiable information works.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Torture for verifiable information works.
    Sure, on your average episode of 24.
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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Torture for verifiable information works.
    Of course you have to actually have the right person. At least a couple of times we had the wrong person. Then you have to stop to verify. If this didn't take time, we likely didn't need the person to begin with. So while I won't say anything never works, we have plenty of verifiable evidence of it not working, but not much where it actually worked.

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    Re: Sarah Palin: 'Waterboarding Is How We'd Baptize Terrorists' If I Were In Charge

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Sure, on your average episode of 24.
    And according to Leon Panetta as well. CONFIRMED: CIA Chief Panetta Admits Info From Waterboarding Led US to Osama Bin Laden (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

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