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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy in condemning Putin For "failing to convince the pro-Russian separatists to disarm" as the Ukrainian army advances upon them? We were supposed to convince the Kiev regime to stand down, too as part of the Geneva agreement, were we not?
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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy in condemning Putin For "failing to convince the pro-Russian separatists to disarm" as the Ukrainian army advances upon them? We were supposed to convince the Kiev regime to stand down, too as part of the Geneva agreement, we're we not?
    Mornin' Jack. Yeah.....I think those ones around Donetsk pretty much show they don't care for Yanokovich either. Although they say the language would be Russian.

    What I am wondering about are all those that are both Russian and Ukrainian.....and what region they would more apt to be in?

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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Jack. Yeah.....I think those ones around Donetsk pretty much show they don't care for Yanokovich either. Although they say the language would be Russian.

    What I am wondering about are all those that are both Russian and Ukrainian.....and what region they would more apt to be in?
    I'm having a tough time understanding what our strategy is here. If it is our goal to see ONE Ukraine, democratic, and friendly towards the west then it would seem to me that we should be doing everything in our power to convince Kiev not to do anything provocative. Russia's "moral high ground" resides in protecting the people in eastern Ukraine from the regime in Kiev. Seems like convincing Kiev to stand down is the only way to ensure that Russia won't intervene.

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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I'm having a tough time understanding what our strategy is here. If it is our goal to see ONE Ukraine, democratic, and friendly towards the west then it would seem to me that we should be doing everything in our power to convince Kiev not to do anything provocative. Russia's "moral high ground" resides in protecting the people in eastern Ukraine from the regime in Kiev. Seems like convincing Kiev to stand down is the only way to ensure that Russia won't intervene.

    Well.....It didn't help with Kerry telling the Russians they were making a Grave mistake.

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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....It didn't help with Kerry telling the Russians they were making a Grave mistake.
    Yeah, everyone just loves to hear stuff like that - especially coming from Kerry, of all people. If he said that to you, would you immediately change any plans you had made?

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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    i can only hope the US, Nato and the EU has a planned response if russia goes into eastern ukraine, if not that would be totally messed up.
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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Yeah, everyone just loves to hear stuff like that - especially coming from Kerry, of all people. If he said that to you, would you immediately change any plans you had made?

    Greetings, MMC.

    Hiya Lady P. Nope.....and neither did Putin. They wouldn't listen to him.....and now he is done talking. I don't see how they are going to prevent whats about to take place.


    G7 agrees new sanctions on Russia as observers held in Ukraine.....

    The Russian foreign ministry said it was working to resolve the observer crisis, which it blamed on Kiev for failing to ensure the mission's safety in "areas where the authorities do not control the situation and where a military operation against residents of their own country has been unleashed".

    Russia's envoy to the Vienna-based OSCE said Moscow would take all steps to free them, Russian media reported.

    It is standard practice for serving military officers to be seconded to OSCE missions.

    In a joint statement, G7 leaders said Russia had not taken any concrete steps to implement an accord, signed in Geneva, intended to rein in illegal armed groups.

    "Instead, it has continued to escalate tensions by increasingly concerning rhetoric and ongoing threatening military maneuvers on Ukraine's border," it said.

    "We have now agreed that we will move swiftly to impose additional sanctions on Russia.

    Russian banks have been moving funds out of foreign accounts in anticipation of sanctions.

    Russia has threatened to cut off gas to Ukraine, which would have a knock-on effect on customers further west because many pipelines transit the country. Officials from the EU and Ukraine met in Kiev on Saturday to discuss technical ways to reduce the impact of a cut-off.....snip~

    G7 agrees new sanctions on Russia as observers held in Ukraine


    Some people in Western Ukraine are going to find out whats it like to lose energy power. Hope they got candles.
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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    G8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Group of Eight (G8) was the name of a forum for the governments of a group of eight leading industrialised countries, that was originally formed by six leading industrialised countries and subsequently extended with two additional members.[1] Russia, which was invited to join as the last member, was excluded from the forum by the other members on March 24, 2014 as a result of its involvement in the 2014 Crimea crisis in Ukraine.[2] Thus the group now comprises seven nations and will continue to meet as the G7 group of nations.


    I am sure this was received well also. I also believe this will help UN relations also dont you?
    For what its worth fear mongering

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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    G8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Group of Eight (G8) was the name of a forum for the governments of a group of eight leading industrialised countries, that was originally formed by six leading industrialised countries and subsequently extended with two additional members.[1] Russia, which was invited to join as the last member, was excluded from the forum by the other members on March 24, 2014 as a result of its involvement in the 2014 Crimea crisis in Ukraine.[2] Thus the group now comprises seven nations and will continue to meet as the G7 group of nations.


    I am sure this was received well also. I also believe this will help UN relations also dont you?
    For what its worth fear mongering
    Heya VM. Yeah its been a month.....and Putin the whole time has been preparing for any economic sanctions they can bring to bear upon him. They say they dismiss them.

    I don't know about the fear mongering.....its no longer will Russia take the jump off. Its more like when.



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    Re: Putin Stops Talks With White House.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    i can only hope the US, Nato and the EU has a planned response if russia goes into eastern ukraine, if not that would be totally messed up.
    Hell, if that happens the Putinistas on this board would celebrate.
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