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    Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    MUSTANG, Okla. (RNS)—The Mustang, Okla., school board voted to adopt a Bible course developed by Steve Green, clearing the way for the Hobby Lobby president, whose suit against the Affordable Care Act currently is before the U.S. Supreme Court, to enter another charged arena at the borderline of church and state.
    This, of course, is a religion class that Green hopes to distribute to more than 1,000 public schools across the country. In comments, Green has said that he wants to make this course mandatory, which would, of course, grossly violate the separation of church and state. However, at this time, it is an elective course, so I do not have a problem with it. If you don't like it, then fine. You do not have to make your kids take the class.

    My only issue here is the courses eventually becoming a mandatory part of school curriculum, in which case, it would be shot down quickly in the courts. As long as it stays elective, no harm is being done here. The separation of church and state is that the government cannot promote or establish a religion. As long as school districts do not establish or promote a religion, and only offer it as an elective, what's the big deal here? And, if there is enough interest in the communities for Judaism, Islam, or any other religion to be taught, those other religions should have the same rights, as long as it is elective. That way, the First Amendment is fully served.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    As an elective, what's the harm?

    I'm sure open-minded liberals would have no issue with this.

    I'm absolutely sure this would be the most enrolled classroom elective on campus, which would drive liberals crazy.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    I support the concept of anything that is an elective course, and the parents have to approve. If people truly believe that children should be exposed to everything, then there's no harm in this. But again with the caveat that it's the parents' choice.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    A lot of the problem here is funding. If the government is funding a course that peddles a specific religion to children, that's a pretty obvious case of state sponsored religion.

    Would the proponents of this be equally as fine if government funds were used to introduce islamic and hindu classes in our public elementary schools as well?
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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    A lot of the problem here is funding. If the government is funding a course that peddles a specific religion to children, that's a pretty obvious case of state sponsored religion.

    Would the proponents of this be equally as fine if government funds were used to introduce islamic and hindu classes in our public elementary schools as well?
    I would, as long as they were elective courses. And actually, I'd possibly even sign my kids up for them so they could get exposed to Hindu. My oldest son is going to India this summer with a classmate whose parents were both born there but who have been here for many years.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This, of course, is a religion class that Green hopes to distribute to more than 1,000 public schools across the country. In comments, Green has said that he wants to make this course mandatory, which would, of course, grossly violate the separation of church and state. However, at this time, it is an elective course, so I do not have a problem with it. If you don't like it, then fine. You do not have to make your kids take the class.

    My only issue here is the courses eventually becoming a mandatory part of school curriculum, in which case, it would be shot down quickly in the courts. As long as it stays elective, no harm is being done here. The separation of church and state is that the government cannot promote or establish a religion. As long as school districts do not establish or promote a religion, and only offer it as an elective, what's the big deal here? And, if there is enough interest in the communities for Judaism, Islam, or any other religion to be taught, those other religions should have the same rights, as long as it is elective. That way, the First Amendment is fully served.

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    If this were part of a Comparative Religions course offering, I'd be supportive. As it is? I'm betting it won't stand scrutiny.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    A lot of the problem here is funding. If the government is funding a course that peddles a specific religion to children, that's a pretty obvious case of state sponsored religion.

    Would the proponents of this be equally as fine if government funds were used to introduce islamic and hindu classes in our public elementary schools as well?
    How is it state endorsed if it's an elective? I agree on a specific religion, but religion in general I see no harm in it. I'm an atheist by the way. I concur with the other poster that stated that a lot of this social science stuff should all be elective anyway. Liberals would lose their collective minds if that ever came to fruition, but it would solve the conservative conundrum of having liberals dominate academia. In fact if I'm a politician running for office, I'm actually running on this principle. Yes, teach math, reading and writing, and science and civics but everything else should be the choice of the student and parents. Schools are always saying parents aren't involved enough, well, put up or shut up is what I say.


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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    How is it state endorsed if it's an elective? I agree on a specific religion, but religion in general I see no harm in it. I'm an atheist by the way. I concur with the other poster that stated that a lot of this social science stuff should all be elective anyway. Liberals would lose their collective minds if that ever came to fruition, but it would solve the conservative conundrum of having liberals dominate academia. In fact if I'm a politician running for office, I'm actually running on this principle. Yes, teach math, reading and writing, and science and civics but everything else should be the choice of the student and parents. Schools are always saying parents aren't involved enough, well, put up or shut up is what I say.


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    1) As I stated, it's about funding, which in this case the government is doing.

    2) It is a class about the bible, so that's one religion.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    1) As I stated, it's about funding, which in this case the government is doing.
    So what? Isn't learning about religion; something 97% of the worlds population believe in, appropriate for funding?


    2) It is a class about the bible, so that's one religion.
    Actually that would be two religions, but I agree with you in principle. Education on religion(s) is preferable over a single religion, and I see the constitution forbids this and I think quite reasonably so, but I see no harm in classes on religion in general. Just like I see no harm in classes on ethnic studies, or gay and gender studies or _______ fill in the blank social study, BUT I think they should all be elective. Do you concur?


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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    As an elective, what's the harm?

    I'm sure open-minded liberals would have no issue with this.

    I'm absolutely sure this would be the most enrolled classroom elective on campus, which would drive liberals crazy.
    You can't use state funds to peddle a religious belief, even if the course is elective.

    If they want to teach about religions in school, note religions not just one particular religion, thats fine and good information for people to have in life. However teaching a specific belief as "truth" and not as just "general knowledge about the world" is wrong.

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