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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    So what? Isn't learning about religion; something 97% of the worlds population believe in, appropriate for funding?

    Actually that would be two religions, but I agree with you in principle. Education on religion(s) is preferable over a single religion, and I see the constitution forbids this and I think quite reasonably so, but I see no harm in classes on religion in general. Just like I see no harm in classes on ethnic studies, or gay and gender studies or _______ fill in the blank social study, BUT I think they should all be elective. Do you concur?


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    The very first sentence of this article completely clarifies that this is a BIBLE class, so I have no idea why you keep acting like this is a world religion class.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The very first sentence of this article completely clarifies that this is a BIBLE class, so I have no idea why you keep acting like this is a world religion class.

    I'm not, I already agreed that I would not support this from a constitutional point of view, however personally I have no issue with it, I see and respect why others might. I was only contemplating, or furthering the discussion. I see you have no interest in pursuing that line of thought?


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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I'm sure open-minded liberals would have no issue with this.
    They make those?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    this comes after people freaked out over a college book that talked about gay people being inappropriate for adults in college.

    Here is what is funny. Who's translation will be used for the Bible? Who's definition of words? So will it be taught in context, if so will the those who think it is the inerrant word of God? This is a stupid idea. Besides, even as an elective, if taught as fact it would push up against the Constitution. So another right wing attempt to turn this country into the Handmaid's Tale.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You can't use state funds to peddle a religious belief, even if the course is elective.

    If they want to teach about religions in school, note religions not just one particular religion, thats fine and good information for people to have in life. However teaching a specific belief as "truth" and not as just "general knowledge about the world" is wrong.
    The sheer magnitude of things they "peddle" in schools these days is disgusting. I have no personal use for religion, but I'm all for children getting exposed to all kinds of religion and when they are adults, they can make up their own minds if they want to practice a religion or not. I think an elective wouldn't hurt anyone.

    My 14 year old showed me his material for a class his school is forcing them to attend which deals with illegal drugs and other malfeasance. In the material, they say heroin, cocaine, pot, etc. are all bad. Okay, that's good so far. Then included in the cirriculum (which is about illegal activities) are pages and pages about smoking, drinking, and gambling, including playing poker. With, by the way, no caveat that these things are only illegal for children. My husband and I both drink socially, and my husband plays poker every other Friday with his friends, rotating shifts so including at our house every few months. And I enjoy a good cigarette with my cocktails once in a while. You know what my son said? He said when he mentioned to Mrs. X that his parents enaged in these activities, Mrs. X told him that we were wrong. Imagine my surprise. I called the school, the Board of Ed, and the NH Department of Education and reminded them all that it isn't ILLEGAL for 2 people in their early 50s to do any of those activities, and it's out of line for a teacher to tell a student his parents are doing something "wrong" when we are not.

    In the grand scheme of things in school, having an optional elective to let my kids be exposed to religion is benign.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The sheer magnitude of things they "peddle" in schools these days is disgusting. I have no personal use for religion, but I'm all for children getting exposed to all kinds of religion and when they are adults, they can make up their own minds if they want to practice a religion or not. I think an elective wouldn't hurt anyone.

    My 14 year old showed me his material for a class his school is forcing them to attend which deals with illegal drugs and other malfeasance. In the material, they say heroin, cocaine, pot, etc. are all bad. Okay, that's good so far. Then included in the cirriculum (which is about illegal activities) are pages and pages about smoking, drinking, and gambling, including playing poker. With, by the way, no caveat that these things are only illegal for children. My husband and I both drink socially, and my husband plays poker every other Friday with his friends, rotating shifts so including at our house every few months. And I enjoy a good cigarette with my cocktails once in a while. You know what my son said? He said when he mentioned to Mrs. X that his parents enaged in these activities, Mrs. X told him that we were wrong. Imagine my surprise. I called the school, the Board of Ed, and the NH Department of Education and reminded them all that it isn't ILLEGAL for 2 people in their early 50s to do any of those activities, and it's out of line for a teacher to tell a student his parents are doing something "wrong" when we are not.

    In the grand scheme of things in school, having an optional elective to let my kids be exposed to religion is benign.
    This has nothing to do with the topic.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The very first sentence of this article completely clarifies that this is a BIBLE class, so I have no idea why you keep acting like this is a world religion class.
    The Bible is also considered literature. It's a book. Is it now wrong to study a book in school?

    They read everything from Beowulf to Mein Kampf to Heather Has Two Mommies in school. Why not another book (even though I personally consider it a work of fiction)?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This has nothing to do with the topic.
    Okay.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    As an elective, what's the harm?

    I'm sure open-minded liberals would have no issue with this.

    I'm absolutely sure this would be the most enrolled classroom elective on campus, which would drive liberals crazy.
    Maybe an elective class on the US Constitution is more apropos.

    I got may first copy out of a 50 cent used civics textbook at a used book store. Do they have any used book stores where you live?


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    Re: Hobby Lobby’s Steve Green launches public school Bible course

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This, of course, is a religion class that Green hopes to distribute to more than 1,000 public schools across the country. In comments, Green has said that he wants to make this course mandatory, which would, of course, grossly violate the separation of church and state. However, at this time, it is an elective course, so I do not have a problem with it. If you don't like it, then fine. You do not have to make your kids take the class.

    My only issue here is the courses eventually becoming a mandatory part of school curriculum, in which case, it would be shot down quickly in the courts. As long as it stays elective, no harm is being done here. The separation of church and state is that the government cannot promote or establish a religion. As long as school districts do not establish or promote a religion, and only offer it as an elective, what's the big deal here? And, if there is enough interest in the communities for Judaism, Islam, or any other religion to be taught, those other religions should have the same rights, as long as it is elective. That way, the First Amendment is fully served.

    Discussion?

    Article is here.
    Don't see much to discuss as an elective. Prefer something like comparative religions, or some rotation with other courses, giving plenty of options. It's the seeming preference of one alone that likely bothers some.

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