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    Re: Western states move to take over federal land

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    History is ripe with examples of long-time tolerances of injustice until one brave soul stands up and says enough!

    When that one brave soul stands alone, tyranny prevails but when other brave souls join in, tyranny is defeated_
    The injustice of the existence of the United States? The injustice of being made to pay for public land you would rather mooch off? The tyranny of failure to subsidize your cattle business?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Western states move to take over federal land

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Men like what????!!!!!

    You appear to be demonizing a man you know little about beyond his defiance of Big Government_
    I know he refused to pay minor grazing fees for decades.
    I know he asserted a right to mooch off public lands.
    I know he doesn't recognize the existence of the federal government.
    I know he engaged in an armed confrontation to prevent law enforcement officers from enforcing the law.
    I know he ignored four court orders to cease his unauthorized grazing.
    I know his militia posse planned to use women as human shields.
    I know he "wonders" if black people were better off as slaves.

    And I know if he and his posse had prevented law enforcement from enforcing the law while wearing turbans instead of cowboy hats, you'd be demanding an airstrike.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Western states move to take over federal land

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    I know he refused to pay minor grazing fees for decades.
    I know he asserted a right to mooch off public lands.
    I know he doesn't recognize the existence of the federal government.
    I know he engaged in an armed confrontation to prevent law enforcement officers from enforcing the law.
    I know he ignored four court orders to cease his unauthorized grazing.
    I know his militia posse planned to use women as human shields.
    I know he "wonders" if black people were better off as slaves.
    ie; all laws are just simply by decree of Government?!

    Let's consider the lawless act of the late Miss Rosa Parks:

    I know she asserted a right to sit in the front of the bus_
    I know she didn't recognize the existence of Jim Crow Laws_
    I know she engaged in civil disobedience to protest an unjust law_
    I know she ignored the law when ordered to move to the back of the bus_
    I know that black women and children marched in her support in the face of armed hostile law enforcement_
    I know that you and the left-wing press injected "race" into an issue where it did not belong_
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    And I know if he and his posse had prevented law enforcement from enforcing the law while wearing turbans instead of cowboy hats, you'd be demanding an airstrike.
    And I know this assumption of yours is totally ridiculous considering that I base the need of an "airstrike" on national security rather than dress code_
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    Re: Western states move to take over federal land

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    ie; all laws are just simply by decree of Government?!

    Let's consider the lawless act of the late Miss Rosa Parks:

    I know she asserted a right to sit in the front of the bus_
    I know she didn't recognize the existence of Jim Crow Laws_
    I know she engaged in civil disobedience to protest an unjust law_
    I know she ignored the law when ordered to move to the back of the bus_
    I know that black women and children marched in her support in the face of armed hostile law enforcement_
    I know that you and the left-wing press injected "race" into an issue where it did not belong_
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    And I know this assumption of yours is totally ridiculous considering that I base the need of an "airstrike" on national security rather than dress code_
    You whine about me being ridiculous and then compare Cliven Bundy to Rosa Parks.

    And by the way, liberals didn't inject race into this. Bundy injected race into this. Absolutely no part of this story had anything to do with race until he decided to tell all of us "about the negro." Until the most famous welfare rancher in the country decided to whine about black people collecting welfare because he drove by their house one day and saw them sitting outside.

    What Rosa Parks did was right. But are you really trying to compare civil liberties to a $1.70 per head grazing fee for land the man doesn't own? If Cliven Bundy had been grazing on another private individual's land illegally do you still think you'd support him? Additionally, when you have a sniper set up on an elevated position aiming his rifle at federal agents, it is no longer "civil" disobedience.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Western states move to take over federal land

    Is there any chance that I could go out west and homestead some property formally owned by the US Gov? I've had my eye on a 20,000 acre plot in the Devil's playground in eastern California for quite some time now. Yes, I know that water would have to be trucked in.

    For a long time I couldn't figure out how to have an income high enough to pay for my trucked water and some other amenities. Then it hit me: Confidential body hiding. I could drop corpses 50 feet from the highway, throw some rocks on 'em, and they would be gone forever.

    I'm already excited about my new mega-ranch. At least I won't have to mow it.

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    Re: Western states move to take over federal land

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You whine about me being ridiculous and then compare Cliven Bundy to Rosa Parks.

    And by the way, liberals didn't inject race into this. Bundy injected race into this. Absolutely no part of this story had anything to do with race until he decided to tell all of us "about the negro." Until the most famous welfare rancher in the country decided to whine about black people collecting welfare because he drove by their house one day and saw them sitting outside.

    What Rosa Parks did was right. But are you really trying to compare civil liberties to a $1.70 per head grazing fee for land the man doesn't own? If Cliven Bundy had been grazing on another private individual's land illegally do you still think you'd support him? Additionally, when you have a sniper set up on an elevated position aiming his rifle at federal agents, it is no longer "civil" disobedience.
    All examples of intolerance to injustice and tyranny are comparable_

    And concerning exactly who injected race into this:

    It might be interesting to see the entire interview to find out if maybe Bundy was led into making his racial opinions known in response to a leading question from a journalist?!

    Considering of course it is the normal procedure for left-wing journalists interviewing political adversaries_
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    Re: Western states move to take over federal land

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The injustice of the existence of the United States? The injustice of being made to pay for public land you would rather mooch off? The tyranny of failure to subsidize your cattle business?
    Nope; the "injustice" of unwarranted regulation and taxation and the "tyranny" of deadly force to ensure compliance_
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    Re: Western states move to take over federal land

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Grazing fees of, what was it, like a dollar an acre?
    Grazing fees are not assessed based on acreage. It is $1.35 per AUM or $1.35 per cow per month. I read somewhere that ranchers average 1,000 cows in the Great Plains states so for them it would come out to about $1,350 per month in grazing fees. Grazing season lasts about 7 months so they're paying $9,450 per year in grazing fees.

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