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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/up...t.html?hp&_r=0


    Thanks to govt debt and tax laws as far as I'm concerned.
    With what to support that notion?
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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm not your "bro", and you put words in my mouth about the ACA that I never posted. You even admitted I never posted them.

    If you would like to know my thoughts on the ACA and how it helps the poor people, I would suggest you go into the ACA section and read my posts. I state repeatedly in there that the ACA is a great entitlement for those who need it, and say repeatedly that there are millions in this nation who need help paying for their healthcare insurance.

    I detest when people are dishonest, which is exactly what you just were, and I called you out on it.

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    Sorry, I thought your name was "Tres BROrachos," I simply misread.

    Anyway, I think you're trying to have it both ways. It isn't relevant to this thread, but I assert that thinking affirmative action isn't needed but the ACA is needed to help the poor are contradictory beliefs. They're needed for the exact same reason, which is allowing those who are born into a bad situation to have access to health care and education, which I think are the two things our government can help people attain to give them a chance to work toward a life that is better than their parent's life.

    That's what growing a middle class is all about, giving them access to the things that probably a minimum 80% of wealthy people take for granted. Again, I just don't know how you can say that everybody has a fair shot in this country but also say that the ACA is great for people who need it. If everybody has a fair shot, they don't need anything, right? I guess wrong, according to you. We'll agree to disagree about what you agree and disagree with.
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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    These conclusions are absurd and completely ignore the primary basis for the changes. At the heart of the matter is the dramatic loss in manufacturing jobs in the United States. Until we address this fact with honest conversations and actions, the transition to servicing other countries products will continue.

    The first place to start, which continues to be ignored, is the intense regulatory environment we ask small business to operate in. What typically happens is the demagogues step in and start a finger pointing session that includes words like greed and exploitation, with massive doses of "shipping jobs overseas" thrown in. In response to honest hardworking businesspeople seeking relief we get narratives from the regulators that suggest those seeking help want a business environment void of any regulation at all. Oh what a barren landscape they paint! Blade Runner gone wild.

    The bottom line is, it is impossible to create middle class wealth by earning a portion of what is charged per hour to process paperwork, or fix a computer. Until we can once again generate good wages across a broad line of manufactured goods, it will be nothing but meaningless words, empty promises, and pointless accusations.

    The rich will always be rich, Dude.
    Globalization has taken the manufacturing jobs and they aren't coming back. Rather than trying to emulate and compete with 3rd world economies by racing to the bottom we should focus on high technology, science, advancing our civilization to the next level. To do this we need heavy investment in higher education, particularly STEM.
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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Low information voters piss me off.

    1. The number one predictor of downward economic mobility is a single parent home. This has increased steadily since the 1960s.

    2. Globalization has moved employment opportunity overseas.

    3. The steady increase in women in the labor market has increased the workforce.

    4. The combination of globalization, increased participation of women in the labor force, as well as the rise in single parent homes (which has also contributed to driving women into the workplace) has created more competition for fewer jobs. This depresses the labor market and drives down the price of labor.

    Conservatives want you to believe over-regulation has driven the labor market downward, while liberals want you to believe the greed of the rich has gobbled up all the wealth. The reality is that the world has changed. The US is sharing their hyper-consumer population with the labor markets of the world. This is extremely good for the rest of the world, but all of those who weren't already rich to begin with (or the extreme cases of industry creators like Zuckerberg) are sucking hind tit. Those who were already possessed of great financial control were poised to make large gains under the new dynamic; those who were merely affluent, middle class, or poor saw their purchasing power reduced as a greater percentage of their income and holdings as American wealth at large went overseas. This is nothing the rich did or the poor failed to do, other than follow the nature inherent to wealth and control in the first place.
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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well they are much simpler just the tax rates are higher.
    I prefer to keep taxes as low as possible, and I think spending needs to be curbed.
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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I prefer to keep taxes as low as possible, and I think spending needs to be curbed.
    Taxes kept low as possible for the upper crust and spending curbed on the peasants.
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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How would voting for liberals help the middle class?

    I thought the ACA gave everyone access to affordable healthcare?
    Canada's system is far more affordable!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I prefer to keep taxes as low as possible, and I think spending needs to be curbed.
    But you then posted an article talking about how a country that does the opposite is doing better than we are!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    But you then posted an article talking about how a country that does the opposite is doing better than we are!
    Spending cuts before tax increases. Tax increases are taken to lightly.
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    Re: The American Middle Class Is No Longer the World’s Richest

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Taxes kept low as possible for the upper crust and spending curbed on the peasants.
    Blame direct taxes and pandering for this, respectively.
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