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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by Bootlace View Post
    A few years back I had a guy working for me. From his teens to his 30's he was a drug user and spent quite a few years in the clink. I think he said 15 years total but broken up over many separate times.
    Anyway, he got to a point in his life where he said he had had enough and got clean and sober.
    Voluntarily, he decided to return to his places of incarceration to deliver speeches to inmates to try to help these folks get and stay clean.
    He studied his topics in depth and the foundation of his speeches was that there is no such thing as a non-violent or victimless drug crime. I can't remember the exact numbers but in a nutshell, for x amout of weed the was one murder, or 5 assaults, or so many acres of forest burned. One of his favorite sayings was "every bag of dope has someone's blood on it".
    So it may be true that the drug user didn't personally victimize anyone, it is hardly a victimless or non-violent crime.
    Kinda reminds me of Mercury Morris or Al Sharpton. "Born Again", with the blessing the state. So much nonsense and cowardice, though it's good the guy tried to turn his life around. But telling sensational and inaccurate stories for the authorities seems a bit compromised IMO.

    Every bag of pot has somebody's blood on it? Egads, what hogwash.

    Victimless crimes DO EXIST, and there are many examples, Martha Stewart and John Kiriakou being but 2 obvious examples.

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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

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    The race card? For reals?
    He decided that people he's never met must be violent as a category. I wanted to know what his mental image was.
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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

    0.0 Ya right. I dont believe it. If it happens then I will.
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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Drug dealers are non-violent people? :

    Their convictions might not be for violence but they are most certainly violent people
    Drug users are quite often non-violent people. And one can be a "drug dealer" without being a violent person.
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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Drug dealers are non-violent people? :

    Their convictions might not be for violence but they are most certainly violent people
    Drug offenders, not drug dealers. Possession and using are drug offenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders | ThinkProgress

    This was reported on Fox news, but I can't seem to find a MSM news report about it?

    On one hand it could be good. We shouldn't imprison victimless crimes. If people want to kill themselves doing drugs we should let them. 130k a year, I hear is the average cost to imprison someone. It would be cheaper to give them free drugs at outpatient clinics and let them rot in the streets.

    One problem with it is that it could add hundreds of thousands of instant Democrat voters to the rolls.
    ...and what is your basis for that asinine comment? Do you have some data that suggests that drug offenders overwhelming vote democrat or are you just assuming they are all black (as we do know blacks vote democratic). One thing is for sure: moving "hundreds of thousands" out of prison and back to the employment roles will lower government dependence and, correspondingly, the deficit.
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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Drug offenders, not drug dealers. Possession and using are drug offenses.
    Definitions of dealers can be weird though. Especially when cops dont need to catch you dealing. They just catch you over a certain quantity and go "ooooohhhh must be a dealer". If Obama had balls he'd free all non violent drug offenders. Except obvious kingpins where people had control of millions as a syndicate.
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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Definitions of dealers can be weird though. Especially when cops dont need to catch you dealing. They just catch you over a certain quantity and go "ooooohhhh must be a dealer". If Obama had balls he'd free all non violent drug offenders. Except obvious kingpins where people had control of millions as a syndicate.
    IF you read the article, they have established an objective to move people out of prison in cases where there has been sentencing disparity (like tough sentences for crack vs lighter sentences for coke) or where current sentencing guidelines are not has harsh as the sentences served. That is the objective. The initiative now is to set guidelines against which each case can be adjudged. The ultimately goal is to get non-violent / over-sentenced persons out of the prison system.

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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders | ThinkProgress

    This was reported on Fox news, but I can't seem to find a MSM news report about it?

    On one hand it could be good. We shouldn't imprison victimless crimes. If people want to kill themselves doing drugs we should let them. 130k a year, I hear is the average cost to imprison someone. It would be cheaper to give them free drugs at outpatient clinics and let them rot in the streets.

    One problem with it is that it could add hundreds of thousands of instant Democrat voters to the rolls.
    Seriously? Partisan demographic considerations might trump a solution to a serious, socially-crippling problem?
    No wonder your country is the most incarcerated nation in the world (a few third-world dictatorships aside) when people actually think like this.
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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Drug offenders, not drug dealers. Possession and using are drug offenses.



    ...and what is your basis for that asinine comment? Do you have some data that suggests that drug offenders overwhelming vote democrat or are you just assuming they are all black (as we do know blacks vote democratic). One thing is for sure: moving "hundreds of thousands" out of prison and back to the employment roles will lower government dependence and, correspondingly, the deficit.
    Democrat president just got your 20 year sentence cancelled and you're a free man, who you going to vote for?
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    Re: President Obama Could Grant Clemency To Thousands Of Non-Violent Drug Offenders

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Drug offenders, not drug dealers. Possession and using are drug offenses
    Federal data show that the*vast majority (99.8 percent) of Federal prisoners sentenced for drug offenses were incarcerated for drug trafficking.
    Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Marijuana | The White House

    The vast majority of those in prison for drugs are in there for dealing.

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