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    New York does away with Electoral College

    On Wednesday, New York became the tenth state, in addition to the District of Columbia, to agree to the "Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by National Popular Vote." Written by the National Popular Vote organization, the compact requires its signatory states to pledge their Electoral College delegates to whichever presidential candidate receives the most votes nationwide. Currently, states pledge their delegates to the candidate who receives the most votes within the state. This can lead to situations like the 2000 presidential election, when Al Gore received the most votes nationwide, but still lost the election to George Bush. Lindsay France asks RT's Sam Sacks whether the Electoral College may finally be headed for the dust bin of history.


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    More found @: New York joins campaign to end Electoral College role in presidential elections - NY Daily News

    Honestly, I think we should get rid of the electoral college. I believe it only makes sense. If we are a democracy, why not be a democracy that elects its highest leader? I mean it only makes sense.. I mean I know what some people are going to say, "hey we arent a democracy, we are a republic!". But you can be a republic and a democracy at the same time. The electoral college is outdated and irrational with our political climate and system.


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    We are a Republic.
    We were set up that way so their would not be any direct democracy.
    The Electoral College is neither outdated or irrational. It serves its purpose, which apparently idiots wish to undermine with such agreements.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    We are a Republic.
    We were set up that way so their would not be any direct democracy.
    That is what we need to get back to in full, and enforce.
    We still arent a direct democracy even if we elected someone to represent us. If we elect someone to represent us that means we are a representative democracy. Even if we directly elected the POTUS what is the problem with that? I mean the founders were not perfect by anyway, why is it so shocking to get rid of something that is ineffective and outdated?


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    I honestly do not why you won't adopt a more parliamentary model. Use the districts form the House (albeit with less gerrymandering) and the leader of the party of who holds the most seats wins. This would require like I said less gerrymandering and also parties having to pick a dedicated leader.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Video @:[/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_35DiUNLZI
    More found @: New York joins campaign to end Electoral College role in presidential elections - NY Daily News

    Honestly, I think we should get rid of the electoral college. I believe it only makes sense. If we are a democracy, why not be a democracy that elects its highest leader? I mean it only makes sense.. I mean I know what some people are going to say, "hey we arent a democracy, we are a republic!". But you can be a republic and a democracy at the same time. The electoral college is outdated and irrational with our political climate and system.
    Refresh my memory but isn't their some clause in this agreement that states that the compact wont come into force until its constituent members can equal 2

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Refresh my memory but isn't their some clause in this agreement that states that the compact wont come into force until its constituent members can equal 2
    I dont remember hearing anything along those lines.. Do you have anymore information along those lines?


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We still arent a direct democracy even if we elected someone to represent us. If we elect someone to represent us that means we are a representative democracy. Even if we directly elected the POTUS what is the problem with that? I mean the founders were not perfect by anyway, why is it so shocking to get rid of something that is ineffective and outdated?
    It isn't ineffective or outdated.

    I think the main problem here is folks do not understand why our Republic was set up the way it was, and instead simply just think it is only about representation of the people as a whole, when it is about a mixture of direct and indirect representation.
    You remove the indirect representation, you fundamentally change what this Nation is.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It isn't ineffective or outdated.
    It is outdated!
    Just think of our founding. We were composed of 13 small and 13 large states jealous of each other for various reasons. Our country was spread along states that were very rural that was not connected by transportation or communication. We were paranoid of British influence in our elections. We were afraid of slaves as well. Hell we didnt even trust the poor to vote..


    I think the main problem here is folks do not understand why our Republic was set up the way it was, and instead simply just think it is only about representation of the people as a whole, when it is about a mixture of direct and indirect representation.
    You remove the indirect representation, you fundamentally change what this Nation is.
    So if we remove the electoral college what radical **** is going to happen?


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It is outdated!
    Just think of our founding. We were composed of 13 small and 13 large states jealous of each other for various reasons. Our country was spread along states that were very rural that was not connected by transportation or communication. We were paranoid of British influence in our elections. We were afraid of slaves as well. Hell we didnt even trust the poor to vote..
    None of which makes the Electoral College outdated.
    It has it's purpose and is still applicable today.

    The people have their representation though their local and state voting, and the electing of their Congress critters.
    Or do you not realize that States are individual entities in a Union called the United States that deserve to exercise their individuality and be represented as such?




    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if we remove the electoral college what radical **** is going to happen?
    Did I say "radical ****"? Or did I say fundamentally change?
    You know exactly why you advocate change. You think it will more easily lead to socialistic policy that you would like to see be enacted.
    Which is just another valid reason why it shouldn't be changed.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    None of which makes the Electoral College outdated.
    It has it's purpose and is still applicable today.
    The purpose of its creation in which we all overcame doenst mean its outdated? What!?!?!


    The people have their representation though their local and state voting, and the electing of their Congress critters.
    And at one point was only allowed for white land owning individuals... Should we still stick to that like the electoral college?

    Or do you not realize that States are individual entities in a Union called the United States that deserve to exercise their individuality and be represented as such?
    We can still be that even with the end of the elctoral college.. Hell we once elected senators in a way which the State Congress of a specif state chose them..


    Did I say "radical ****"? Or did I say fundamentally change?
    Well whats going to happen?

    You know exactly why you advocate change. You think it will more easily lead to socialistic policy that you would like to see be enacted.Which is just another valid reason why it shouldn't be changed.
    So if a POTUS is elected by popular vote that means "socialism is going to come!" I wish! In my dreams! In reality it means Al Gore would of been elected.. Ohh what a "socialist!" Get ****ing real!


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