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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So we direclty elect our senators and representative but if we elect the POTUS, the oh Christ we are on our way to totalitarianism! Please Lutherf with our separation of power and checks and balances in place, please explain how you reach this conclusion...
    It's obvious you do not appreciate the wisdom of the Founders. To do away with the Electoral College would be a disaster. Without it, the elections could be won by major cities with large populations and the rural areas would have no say. Fly-over country would be just that for all politicians running for office & attempting to get their pet bills passed. It would be equivalent to mob rule. For as authoritarian as our federal government has become it is rather a bad joke for you to claim separation of powers and checks and balances are in place when they are trampled and ignored on a regular basis.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

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    ... with lotsa people looking for their chunk of redistribution ... but that's kinda redundant
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And you'll be screaming about the injustice of the Electoral College.
    I never have before. Why would I start now?
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It's obvious you do not appreciate the wisdom of the Founders. To do away with the Electoral College would be disasterous. Without it, the elections could be won by major cities with large populations and the rural areas would have no say. Fly-over country would be just that for all politicians running for office & attempting to get their pet bills passed
    Great point. However this shows how what hypocrisy the progressive left has.... they squawk endlessly about how requiring ID to vote disenfranchises people, yet they are all too willing to let major cities which surprise, are mostly liberal, disenfranchise rural areas. It's so obtuse and obvious it's laughable if they all weren't so serious about killing the EC.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Would that include if the Republican or a ticket other than Democrat won the national vote? This is so gona backfire on those twits.
    Yes, it cedes the selection of electors from the majority of the citizens of a state to the will of the national vote. The Electoral College is an elegant system for a republic except for those that don't like the results. This initiative is about the only way to distort the intention of the Electoral College without an actual repeal. Even if it passes enough states it is doomed to fail.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    More found @: New York joins campaign to end Electoral College role in presidential elections - NY Daily News

    Honestly, I think we should get rid of the electoral college. I believe it only makes sense. If we are a democracy, why not be a democracy that elects its highest leader? I mean it only makes sense.. I mean I know what some people are going to say, "hey we arent a democracy, we are a republic!". But you can be a republic and a democracy at the same time. The electoral college is outdated and irrational with our political climate and system.
    Hold your horses. Neither New York nor any other state will be assigning their electors, based on popular vote, until enough states have signed on to equal or surpass 270 electoral votes. So I doubt this will happen in 2016, but there is a strong chance it will happen in 2020.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Hold your horses. Neither New York nor any other state will be assigning their electors, based on popular vote, until enough states have signed on to equal or surpass 270 electoral votes. So I doubt this will happen in 2016, but there is a strong chance it will happen in 2020.
    They won't reach 270.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Yes, it cedes the selection of electors from the majority of the citizens of a state to the will of the national vote. The Electoral College is an elegant system for a republic except for those that don't like the results. This initiative is about the only way to distort the intention of the Electoral College without an actual repeal. Even if it passes enough states it is doomed to fail.
    The electoral college gives a voice to all Americans from all parts of the country, not just those in the most densely populated areas. The needs of the United States are far more diverse than just what Los Angeles and New York City require.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The electoral college gives a voice to all Americans from all parts of the country, not just those in the most densely populated areas. The needs of the United States are far more diverse than just what Los Angeles and New York City require.
    The indefensible reality is that more than 99% of campaign attention was showered on voters in just ten states in 2012- and that in today's political climate, the swing states have become increasingly fewer and fixed.

    Where you live should not determine how much, if at all, your vote matters.

    The current state-by-state winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but later enacted by 48 states), ensures that the candidates, after the conventions, will not reach out to about 80% of the states and their voters. Candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or care about the voter concerns in the dozens of states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind.

    Presidential candidates concentrate their attention on only a handful of closely divided "battleground" states and their voters. There is no incentive for them to bother to care about the majority of states where they are hopelessly behind or safely ahead to win.
    10 of the original 13 states are ignored now.
    Four out of five Americans were ignored in the 2012 presidential election. After being nominated, Obama visited just eight closely divided battleground states, and Romney visited only 10. These 10 states accounted for 98% of the $940 million spent on campaign advertising. They decided the election.
    None of the 10 most rural states mattered, as usual.
    About 80% of the country was ignored --including 24 of the 27 lowest population and medium-small states, and 13 medium and big states like CA, GA, NY, and TX.

    Policies important to the citizens of non-battleground states are not as highly prioritized as policies important to ‘battleground’ states when it comes to governing.

    With National Popular Vote, every voter would be equal. Candidates would reallocate their time, the money they raise, and their ad buys to no longer ignore 80% of the states and voters.

    With National Popular Vote, big cities would not get all of candidates’ attention, much less control the outcome.

    16% of Americans live in rural areas. None of the 10 most rural states matter now.

    The population of the top five cities (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston and Philadelphia) is only 6% of the population of the United States and the population of the top 50 cities (going as far down as Arlington, TX) is only 15% of the population of the United States.

    Suburbs and exurbs often vote Republican.

    If big cities controlled the outcome of elections, the governors and U.S. Senators would be Democratic in virtually every state with a significant city.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    They won't reach 270.
    In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided).

    Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in virtually every state surveyed in recent polls
    in recent or past closely divided Battleground states: CO – 68%, FL – 78%, IA --75%, MI – 73%, MO – 70%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM– 76%, NC – 74%, OH – 70%, PA – 78%, VA – 74%, and WI – 71%;
    in Small states (3 to 5 electoral votes): AK – 70%, DC – 76%, DE – 75%, ID – 77%, ME – 77%, MT – 72%, NE 74%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM – 76%, OK – 81%, RI – 74%, SD – 71%, UT – 70%, VT – 75%, WV – 81%, and WY – 69%;
    in Southern and Border states: AR – 80%, KY- 80%, MS – 77%, MO – 70%, NC – 74%, OK – 81%, SC – 71%, TN – 83%, VA – 74%, and WV – 81%; and
    in other states polled: AZ – 67%, CA – 70%, CT – 74%, MA – 73%, MN – 75%, NY – 79%, OR – 76%, and WA – 77%.

    The bill has passed 33 state legislative chambers in 22 rural, small, medium, and large states with 250 electoral votes.

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