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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Would not matter. Would eliminate the whole electoral votes based on state populations.
    i believe each state gets a say in who is elected president of the USA.

    if the presidential election is solely based on the national popular vote, rural America looses greatly and the big populous cities/metro areas win big time.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    i believe each state gets a say in who is elected president of the USA.
    Not if its decided by national popular vote?

    if the presidential election is solely based on the national popular vote, rural America looses greatly and the big populous cities/metro areas win big time.
    And in the current system one piece of **** state like Florida can **** it all up.


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Not if its decided by national popular vote?


    And in the current system one piece of **** state like Florida can **** it all up.
    each state gets its say. i know you don't like that idea, but that's a fundamental thing that can't change.

    the electoral college gives the states a voice by population(house members) and by their 2 senators in the electoral college.

    it's 2014, not 2000!
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    each state gets its say.
    That would defeat the purpose of the national popular vote.

    i know you don't like that idea, but that's a fundamental thing that can't change.
    I disagree. We used to not elect senators on popular vote. But hey we got rid of that.


    the electoral college gives the states a voice by population(house members) and by their 2 senators in the electoral college.

    it's 2014, not 2000!
    And so does the national popular vote.


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Not if its decided by national popular vote?


    And in the current system one piece of **** state like Florida can **** it all up.
    That didn't happen. A group of university people recounted every single vote from Florida and discovered that Bush's win was with an even greater margin. Time to abandon this old argument.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    One of the consistent problems with the lust for political power is the lack of considering the future. If the roles were reversed, it would be republicans wanting a total vote and the democrats wanting the electoral college. Those roles could very well be reversed in the future. Imagine how the New Yorkers would feel if the total vote were for a a republican candidate and they could have changed the electoral outcome had they voted their state's preference rather than the national one.

    It is foolishness. We need to remember that we are supposed to be a union of states, not a national government with 50 provinces. The decline of states' rights hasn't improved anything in my view. We just have more government, more spending, more waste and less prosperity. Since power always corrupts, we are better with power being diffused more throughout the states than centralized in Washington. The more we centralize, the greater the concentration of power and the greater the level of corruption. We've been doing it wrong for as long as I've been alive.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    I understand the original function of the Electoral College. They are the last defense against mob rule in case the mob is about to elect someone tyrannical, etc.

    Honestly though, at this point it doesn't matter. It's the aristocracy and financial elites who choose the candidates who make it into the Presidential races, and then it's big money that gets their campaigns running. No matter who is elected now, they don't represent the People, just those with money and market control.

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