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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

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    Awesome!!!

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by mvymvy View Post

    With National Popular Vote, every voter, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. Wining states would not be the goal. Candidates would need to care about voters across the nation, not just undecided voters in the current handful of swing states.
    Why? The reason why a battleground state is a battleground state is because the electorate there is closely divided.
    That's why time is spent there.
    It's not a bad happening and makes sense.

    It would seem though that the reforms would end that, and candidates would spend their time in their bases, trying to run up the vote. Since it's easier to get somebody to get out to vote for you when they agree, than convincing somebody else to change their vote.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

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    Video @:[/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_35DiUNLZI
    More found @: New York joins campaign to end Electoral College role in presidential elections - NY Daily News

    Honestly, I think we should get rid of the electoral college. I believe it only makes sense. If we are a democracy, why not be a democracy that elects its highest leader? I mean it only makes sense.. I mean I know what some people are going to say, "hey we arent a democracy, we are a republic!". But you can be a republic and a democracy at the same time. The electoral college is outdated and irrational with our political climate and system.
    It's their group of delegates. They can charge them to vote however they want, even if what they are doing is disenfrancizing the citizens of their own state. It's not really any different from the legislature charging the delegates to vote the way the legislature decides regardless of what the citizens of the state prefer -- a return to the status quo ante, back to the way it was before delegates were chosen by popular vote, in other words.

    I doubt that it's going to make any difference at all in the overall outcome, though. I suspect that if a state ever does suspect that it will go against the popular vote this agreement will be quickly scotched. Or else their legislature will face hell fire and wrath from the state's voters.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Like I said; "It will be great without your bs."
    Yet you keep spewing. Go figure.
    Awesome!!!

    You enjoy it now.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by mvymvy View Post
    States don't have equal representation in the Electoral College.
    Wyoming has 3 votes. California 55
    Now you are on to something! Those 3 votes have a value in a Presidential election. If we go to a popular vote, Wyoming is just a waste, any candidate that even considers going there would be wasting their time and money.

    Now, Republicans hardly campaign in California, only if they have a shot at those 55 votes will they go there. But it's not because California doesn't matter.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Awesome!!!

    You enjoy it now.
    Still spewing. Go figure.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    since you seem to like history like myself i will give you a story about democracy, and how the people can be seduced, beguiled and lead to do things which are not in their interest.

    during the Peloponnesian War between the Athenians and Spartans which had be going on for years, neither side had been able to defeat the other, the Athenian statesman, orator, and general Alcibiades proposed a plan to invade the the island of Sicily, ...why?

    because he was looking for glory, conquest, and the admiration of women.

    because he was a very smooth talking statesman "orator" he pursued the people of Athens to accept his plan, even though the Athenians were already locked into a war with Sparta.

    the Athenians with there powerful navy set sail for Sicily, were they fought with Sicilians, even though they have posed no threat to the Athens, the Athenians were defeated, losing most of their navy, which had been used to fight the Spartans, this left the Athenians weak and the Spartans attacked and defeated what was left of Athens military, ..the Spartans entered the city bringing down democracy in Athens, and Sparta the masters of Greece for the next 25 years.

    the people are gullible, and can be seduced by smooth talking people...IE Hitler, so to prevent this from happening in America their are checks and balances in the constitution, one i stated his the dividing of power, between the states and the people ....another is the classification of senators..class 1-2-3

    this checks the people from throwing every politicians of the senate out at the same time, by say a sudden passion......senators are staggered and only a 1/3 is elected every 2 years.....to prevent any kaos, or the taking over of government by an outside political body...because the people did not think .......before they acted.
    Thanks. Interesting story that I wasn't aware of (Though I am Sicilian and gratified that we actually did a war a some point in our history). I've been meaning to read more on Alcibiadas after I finish reading up on Belisarius.

    I agree with you that democracy are problematic. Where we disagree is on the idea that popularly elected government - or part of government - makes that government or part democratic. Just because Senators are popularly elected and not appointed by their legislatures doesn't necessarily make the Senate a democratic institution (I don't think). And if it does, since legislatures are democratically elected and express the will of the people does that not too make Senators democratic? I don't know - it's one of the questions I'm trying to work out for myself.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Still spewing. Go figure.
    Enjoy that weekend.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Enjoy that weekend.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Spew, spew, spew.
    Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!!!
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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