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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Any state not given equal representation will succeed from the union.
    No it won't.

    And getting rid of the electoral college will not mean any states have unequal representation.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No it won't.

    And getting rid of the electoral college will not mean any states have unequal representation.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea they will. They are 61% there already.
    It doesn't matter-- states can change the law and opt out

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I'll let CGPGRey to explain to you all how you can win the Presidency of the USA with just a bit over 22% of the popular vote. That's not democracy.

    Most western- democratically elected heads of government are not elected "democratically" (only a few people voted for the prime minister of the UK or Canada, for example). On the continent, the tradition is that the government in power did not win 50% of the vote, rather they owe their victory to coalitions formed of which the voter has no say.
    The electoral college is far more "democratic" than those arrangements.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    One of the main reasons for the electoral college is because information traveled at the speed of horse in 1789. No accurate winner could be selected with any haste and the potential for mistakes was enormous. Putting the election in tiers (electoral district > state > nation) helped ensure an accurate result. In the age of telephones, computers, and the internet, there is no such need.
    This great push is on the heels of the "outrage" of 2000. Its happened four times in 230 years. In most of Europe, its the standard feature of government, not an anomaly. The man who wins the election almost always has had majority of the votes. This is something which the folks of a Spain or an Italy CANNOT claim.

    regarding the tech "advancements": It wasn't simply the result in Florida that was in dispute. New Mexico, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania all had disputes. The advantage of an electoral college is that it avoided the monstrosity of a recount of a 100 million votes nationwide that a direct election would saddle the country with. This is no small thing because GOOD government is something to be expected as well, which folks such as Al Gore or Samuel Tilden recognized.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    The electoral collage was crafted so that heavily populated northern industrial states couldn't abuse thinly populated agricultural southern states. It's not outdated and serves the same useful purpose today.
    Yeah, but if ever there was a group of states that deserved to be abused, it's those thinly populated agricultural southern states.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by mvymvy View Post
    Unable to agree on any particular method, the Founding Fathers left the choice of method for selecting presidential electors exclusively to the states by adopting the language contained in section 1 of Article II of the U.S. Constitution-- "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors . . ." The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly characterized the authority of the state legislatures over the manner of awarding their electoral votes as "plenary" and "exclusive."

    The National Popular Vote bill preserves the Electoral College and state control of elections. It changes the way electoral votes are awarded in the Electoral College. The candidate with the most votes would win, as in virtually every other election in the country.
    Under the Electoral College, the candidate with the most votes wins. If Bush carries Florida, he gets the votes of Florida, if Gore wins California, he gets the votes of California. And onward and onward.

    It does not preserve state control of elections (I realize you are talking here about the actual mechanics of the polls). They lose control of elections, because , as you mentioned elsewhere, nobody would have cared about a 537 vote discrepency in Florida.
    Except the voters of Florida...

    That is why it will not last.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by mvymvy View Post
    The indefensible reality is that more than 99% of campaign attention was showered on voters in just ten states in 2012.

    80% of the states and people have been merely spectators to presidential elections. They have no influence. That's more than 85 million voters, more than 200 million Americans, ignored. When and where voters are ignored, then so are the issues they care about most.
    Obama won the majority of the votes in 2012. As did every other president save four. It is not clear why he, or any other one, would have campaigned any differently under the proposed revision.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    Obama won the majority of the votes in 2012. As did every other president save four. It is not clear why he, or any other one, would have campaigned any differently under the proposed revision.
    Obama also won the dead vote.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Obama also won the dead vote.
    No, old people lean Republican, and most dead people are quite old.
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