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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You really haven't thought this through have you?
    I've thought it through plenty.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The people elect representatives to represent them in government. Thats REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY no matter what the founders called it.
    so...in republican government people elect representatives to the house..that's a direct vote of the people.

    the people elect their state legislature, who in turn elects the senate, that is an indirect vote of the people.

    the people elect their state legislature, who chooses the electors, thats an indirect vote of the people.


    1 democratic vote, and 2 non democratic votes, making it republican form of government....not democratic

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I've thought it through plenty.
    Okay then thoughtitoutplenty guy, let's break it down.

    If the EC goes kebosh and we have a Direct Election...

    You just shut out huge swaths of the country, they don't matter. The only people who will matter are those in dense population zones, I.E. City's. And people who live in the City have a different need and world view then rural folk. Glad to know you don't care about them.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Okay then thoughtitoutplenty guy, let's break it down.

    If the EC goes kebosh and we have a Direct Election...

    You just shut out huge swaths of the country, they don't matter. The only people who will matter are those in dense population zones, I.E. City's. And people who live in the City have a different need and world view then rural folk. Glad to know you don't care about them.
    The united states work because the power goes to the states.
    People vote in state representatives.
    States vote in fed representatives.
    it's the way things should be. What is right for California is not necessarily right for Florida, or Tennessee. yOU can't have one set of laws that cover everybody and every situation for the entire country made by a bunch of jackasses who rarely if ever leave DC.
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    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You just shut out huge swaths of the country, they don't matter.
    No, they matter (in proportion to their population) exactly as much as everywhere else. Everyone's vote counts the same amount. People living in the country should not get more of a say in who our president is than people living in cities.

    And let's not kid ourselves here. Under the current system, a pretty good percentage of people's votes in quite a few states don't matter because they are a minority in states that consistently vote for the other party.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No, they matter (in proportion to their population) exactly as much as everywhere else. Everyone's vote counts the same amount. People living in the country should not get more of a say in who our president is than people living in cities.

    And let's not kid ourselves here. Under the current system, a pretty good percentage of people's votes in quite a few states don't matter because they are a minority in states that consistently vote for the other party.
    We are not a nation of people we are a nation of states. The states should have equal say in anything to do with the nation. The state of Kentucky is equal to the state of ny in running this country? or it won't work because if they don't get equal say there is northing, short of violence, to stop them from succeeding from the union.
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    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    No, they matter (in proportion to their population) exactly as much as everywhere else. Everyone's vote counts the same amount. People living in the country should not get more of a say in who our president is than people living in cities.

    And let's not kid ourselves here. Under the current system, a pretty good percentage of people's votes in quite a few states don't matter because they are a minority in states that consistently vote for the other party.
    Nope, you're condemning their voices to the wilderness. Good job.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    We are not a nation of people we are a nation of states.
    Not anymore we're not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    The states should have equal say in anything to do with the nation.
    No they shouldn't. That's an antiquated idea from a time where the vast majority of people never traveled more than a few miles from their homes and the fastest method of information dispersal was horseback.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Nope, you're condemning their voices to the wilderness. Good job.
    Nope, I'm simply leveling the playing field.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Not anymore we're not.



    No they shouldn't. That's an antiquated idea from a time where the vast majority of people never traveled more than a few miles from their homes and the fastest method of information dispersal was horseback.
    Any state not given equal representation will succeed from the union.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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