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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    More found @: New York joins campaign to end Electoral College role in presidential elections - NY Daily News

    Honestly, I think we should get rid of the electoral college. I believe it only makes sense. If we are a democracy, why not be a democracy that elects its highest leader? I mean it only makes sense.. I mean I know what some people are going to say, "hey we arent a democracy, we are a republic!". But you can be a republic and a democracy at the same time. The electoral college is outdated and irrational with our political climate and system.
    Democracy is simply a step toward totalitarianism. The sad part is that most people won't realize that we've stepped off that cliff even after we hit bottom.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Democracy is simply a step toward totalitarianism. The sad part is that most people won't realize that we've stepped off that cliff even after we hit bottom.
    So we direclty elect our senators and representative but if we elect the POTUS, the oh Christ we are on our way to totalitarianism! Please Lutherf with our separation of power and checks and balances in place, please explain how you reach this conclusion...


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It is outdated!
    Just think of our founding. We were composed of 13 small and 13 large states jealous of each other for various reasons. Our country was spread along states that were very rural that was not connected by transportation or communication. We were paranoid of British influence in our elections. We were afraid of slaves as well. Hell we didnt even trust the poor to vote..



    So if we remove the electoral college what radical **** is going to happen?
    It's not outdated.

    The result of dissolution of the electoral college will be the removal of one more hedge against federal supremacy. Little by little the states are ceding their power and their responsibilities to the federal government. In time the states will become nothing more than the answer to a trivia question and state governments will be strictly figurative. There will be no restraints on the federal government which will become more and more insulated from the people who will have less and less autonomy as we transition from a nation based on natural rights into one based on civil rights.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The purpose of its creation in which we all overcame doenst mean its outdated? What!?!?!
    Wtf are you talking about? Overcame? Overcame what?
    The purpose was to give the individual States representation as a State. That has not been overcome, nor could it.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And at one point was only allowed for white land owning individuals... Should we still stick to that like the electoral college?
    More nonsense. The Electoral College issue is not dependent on race, sex, or even orientation.
    Stop trying to inject irrelevant **** that has no bearing on the question.
    The purpose was to give the individual States representation as a State. That has not be overcome, nor could it.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We can still be that even with the end of the elctoral college..
    No this Country wouldn't be the same.
    It would fundamentally have changed.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Well whats going to happen?
    Are you not paying attention?
    From indirect to direct. That is a fundamental change.
    Nor can you show any advantage to changing it from the way it is.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if a POTUS is elected by popular vote that means "socialism is going to come!" I wish! In my dreams! In reality it means Al Gore would of been elected.. Ohh what a "socialist!" Get ****ing real!
    Stop being silly.
    I said; "You think it will more easily lead to socialistic policy." And you do think that, which is why you advocate it.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    I'll let CGPGRey to explain to you all how you can win the Presidency of the USA with just a bit over 22% of the popular vote. That's not democracy.


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It's not outdated.

    The result of dissolution of the electoral college will be the removal of one more hedge against federal supremacy.
    Little by little the states are ceding their power and their responsibilities to the federal government. In time the states will become nothing more than the answer to a trivia question and state governments will be strictly figurative. There will be no restraints on the federal government which will become more and more insulated from the people who will have less and less autonomy as we transition from a nation based on natural rights into one based on civil rights.
    So, as I see it. Getting rid of the elctoral college will mean that the states will essentially have no power? What about the constitution givign the states power? What about state and local government? What about all of that? Will getting rid of the electoral college essentially bring an end to federalism? Are you saying its a slipper slope? I mean if thats true, I would say that is absolutely ridiculous and a strawman.


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    If we got rid of the electoral college candidates would only need to actively run in California, Texas, New York, and Florida. The rest of the country will no longer matter.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    That's not democracy.
    We are a Republic.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Also, democracy is a concept. Which for some reasons americans find it detestable.

    Demos = People
    Kratos = Power.

    Power of the people. You don't like that?

    Nobody is advocating, when saying democracy, as Athenian Democracy per government. Heck, nobody wants athenian democracy. NOBODY HAS ATHENIAN DEMOCRACY ANYMORE. It's the concept of people having the right to vote and their votes mean something.

    A republic is a form of organization. You have 3 branches of government and 2 of them are electable and the other is an independent branch and each keeps the other in check. Ideally. Ofc, in the USA, you have 3 branches of govt and elect just 1 at the federal level, actually, elect just 0.5 at federal level.

    You only really elect your house representative congressman because the senators are 2 per state. And the president wins "state votes" not people votes".

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    We are a Republic.

    I anticipated that knee jerk response and I posted this. Just as you were struggling to come up with that answer.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So we direclty elect our senators and representative but if we elect the POTUS, the oh Christ we are on our way to totalitarianism! Please Lutherf with our separation of power and checks and balances in place, please explain how you reach this conclusion...
    LOL!!

    You may recall that the direct election of Senators is a relatively recent thing. It may also be pure coincidence but it also came hot on the heels of the 16th amendment. That was one hell of a year for the expansion of the federal government, wouldn't you say?

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