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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I want it to go away because I don't believe that where you live should dictate how much of a voice you have in the government.
    You really haven't thought this through have you?
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i was talking about the founders government not the current one....which was republican, today it is less republican and more democratic...which is sad.
    It was a democratic republic and is still a democratic republic...


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Straight democracy will merely enhance the stupidity. Just like with allowing the "people" to vote for senators, it's a bad idea to change the EC in favor a DD system. It's like history speaks and falls on the ears of arrogant fools, this cycle repeats itself down through the ages.
    The President was elected by the Electoral College, the Senate by the States, and the House by the people. A balanced system, well thought out by the founders. Then, the left had to stick their noses in, because they know better than the founders.

    So they were able to take away the State's presence in the federal government by changing the election of the Senate. So now, we have situations where a State supports something, while their two Senators vote against it. How dumb.

    Now, they want to destroy the balance of the Presidential election and effectively take away the smaller State's influence on the election. No one will bother campaigning in or caring about the smaller States with this great new system. How brilliant! Good way to destroy the United States, since it will be ruled by the larger population centers only.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It was a democratic republic and is still a democratic republic...

    sorry no a republic and a democratic form are two different forms of government.

    Madison is clear about this in federalist 10 when the states their republican and democratic forms of government

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    In American government of the founders, power in divided up!

    the house of representatives is a democracy it is a direct democratic vote of the people, and it presents the ............interest of the people

    the senate is an aristocracy, it is a direct vote of the state legislatures, and it is non democratic vote of a few, it represents the.............. interest of the states

    RIGHT THERE!..........power in divided into 2 parts.....NEITHER part, has all of the power...........no one------------> "holds the keys to the kingdom"

    the president under the founders IS considered a monarch, to be elected by electors for the states......and those electors have in early American history been chosen by the 1.state legislatures, 2.chosen by a general election ticket of each state, 3.and chosen by districts of each state........however this has been changed by the politicians, who now chose the electors by party line.

    the idea of the electoral college is for a few people of the states to elect the President in DECEMBER.

    by having electors elect the president it makes it a non democratic vote......steering America clear of democratic government.


    so you have 1 democratic vote for the house, and 2 non democratic votes for senate and the President, making it a republican form of government and not a democratic form.

    since all three members of the government are elected by 3 different groups of people--------------"no one holds the keys to the kingdom"

    since no one single group who gets elected .......holds the "KEYS"......no one can become a tyrant.

    in democratic forms of government, the people hold the "keys to the kingdom", they are the dominate factor of democratic government, and are tyrants because they govern by Majority Rule.


    the u.s. government of the founders is a republican form of government...know as ..."mixed government"[federalist 40 by James Madison]

    Mixed government, also known as a mixed constitution, is a form of government that integrates elements of democracy, aristocracy, and monarchy. In a mixed government, some issues (often defined in a constitution) are decided by the majority of the people, some other issues by few, and some other issues by a single person (also often defined in a constitution). The idea is commonly treated as an antecedent of separation of powers.

    Mixed government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The President was elected by the Electoral College, the Senate by the States, and the House by the people. A balanced system, well thought out by the founders. Then, the left had to stick their noses in, because they know better than the founders.

    So they were able to take away the State's presence in the federal government by changing the election of the Senate. So now, we have situations where a State supports something, while their two Senators vote against it. How dumb.

    Now, they want to destroy the balance of the Presidential election and effectively take away the smaller State's influence on the election. No one will bother campaigning in or caring about the smaller States with this great new system. How brilliant! Good way to destroy the United States, since it will be ruled by the larger population centers only.
    It's called "Progress". See the Progressive movement has a powerful weapon, emotion. This is aided by the natural greed and stupidity of people.

    What argument is easier to make?
    "Vote for me! I'll make sure you're taken care and that rich guy stealing your wealth pays his fair share!"
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    "Vote for me! I'll make sure you have a fair shot to work hard and rise as high as your effort and drive will take you!"
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no a republic and a democratic form are two different forms of government.
    No they arent. They are not mutually exclusive.

    Madison is clear about this in federalist 10 when the states their republican and democratic forms of government
    If they are mutually exclusive how can one have representatives that are democratically elected?


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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The President was elected by the Electoral College, the Senate by the States, and the House by the people. A balanced system, well thought out by the founders.
    Which is as it should be.
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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No they arent. They are not mutually exclusive.


    If they are mutually exclusive how can one have representatives that are democratically elected?

    sorry no !

    federalist 10---The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.

    Republican government does not have many factious combinations, because power is divided, democratic government power in concentrated in 1, "the people" and very factious, as America has become today, with its movement towards democracy.

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    Re: New York does away with Electoral College

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no !

    federalist 10---The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.

    Republican government does not have many factious combinations, because power is divided, democratic government power in concentrated in 1, "the people"
    The people elect representatives to represent them in government. Thats REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY no matter what the founders called it.


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