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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I didn't know you guys were into supporting freeloaders.
    Now it's Texas.
    Color me surprised when you guys decide which laws you will obey and which you won't.
    And then threaten gun violence .
    You really need to read the article first. The guy involved here is not freeloading at all. He OWNS the property and has paid all his taxes and fees.

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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You see, unlike Bundy, this fellow does have a case worth squawking about.

    The article is a bit confusing on what is at issue here. Is it just 140 acres or the entire 90,000 acres he owns the deed for?
    Click the lick which is assigned to his name in the article. The information at that link is a bit clearer. BLM already seized 140 acres of his land and didn't compensate him. They're intending to seize 90,000 acres along the river but that land is not only his, other ranchers will be affected by that proposed seizure. It's not clear how much more of his land they're going to take from him.

    I don't see why he can't retain title to the land if the river shifts its course. The land would now be in Oklahoma and should simply be registered in the OK land registry.

    The law seems to be pretending that a river shifting its course somehow erases title to the land which now finds itself on the wrong side of the border and so that land is free for the BLM to grab. That seems kind of insane to me.

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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Click the lick which is assigned to his name in the article. The information at that link is a bit clearer. BLM already seized 140 acres of his land and didn't compensate him. They're intending to seize 90,000 acres along the river but that land is not only his, other ranchers will be affected by that proposed seizure. It's not clear how much more of his land they're going to take from him.

    I don't see why he can't retain title to the land if the river shifts its course. The land would now be in Oklahoma and should simply be registered in the OK land registry.

    The law seems to be pretending that a river shifting its course somehow erases title to the land which now finds itself on the wrong side of the border and so that land is free for the BLM to grab. That seems kind of insane to me.
    That seems perfectly natural and exactly the kind lunacy I've come to expect from our bloated, out of control and ever expanding federal government... I mean this is exactly the kinds of things that happen whenever any federal government has this much power and control, and is exactly why the founding fathers tried to prevent the federal government from getting this huge to prevent things just like this from ever happening.

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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

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    Does this agency have nothing better to do than ruin peoples lives?
    The 'Inquisitor'? Jeez, where do you find this crap?
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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The 'Inquisitor'? Jeez, where do you find this crap?
    Google news. I saw the news video and went looking for an article source.
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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Your right-wing militia with female shields should be arriving soon .
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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

    This guy appears to have a pretty legitimate gripe against the BLM.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

    The only sources I can find are small right-wing blurbs about it so its still questionable how much of this is true.

    Can somebody explain to me what is going on here it is not making sense...

    If I understand correctly, the river is naturally moving and slowly pushing the border of Ok to expand into Texas so Oklahoma gets a little bigger and Texas gets a little smaller and the BLM controls the land on the Ok side, right?

    Now... this river moving is a slight process right? We're talking about less than 100 yards yes? How is it that this river moving is swallowing this guy's 90,000 acre ranch and homes will no longer be in Texas but Oklahoma? I.... I don't understand... wouldn't the river have to move over the home and destroy it as it moves to the other side? It doesn't say anything about the river diverting and shooting around another track swallowing entire swaths of area either.

    If you look at the math with this river swallowing his ranch, if it is taking it by moving 100 yards, then his ranch would have to be 2,475 miles long and 100 yards wide. There are 43,560 square feet in an acre * 90,000 acres = ~3.9 billion square feet / 300 feet (lost to erosion) leaving ~13 million feet in length which is about 2,476 miles.

    Then there is talk about erosion and accretion. The rancher is claiming that the river is moving back and forth but the feds only consider the boundary as changing when it is not in his favor.

    Nothing about this story makes a lick of sense...

    edit: What actually would make sense, would be if this guy is pissed that he lost 140 acres due to erosion.

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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Nothing about this story makes a lick of sense...
    Here's a report from a TV station:

    Henderson lost a lawsuit 30 years ago that moved part of the northern Texas border over a mile to the south.

    The Bureau of Land Management [BLM] took 140 acres of his property and didn’t pay him one cent.

    Now, they want to use his case as precedent to seize land along a 116-mile stretch of the river.

    “They’re wanting to take the boundaries that the courts placed here and extend those east and west to the forks of the river north of Vernon and east to the 98th Meridian which is about 20 miles east of us,” Henderson explained.

    BLM, which oversees public land in the United States, claims this land never belonged to Texas.

    The Texas landowners who have lived and cared for that land for hundreds of years beg to differ.

    BLM plans on taking the land anyway. Property owners will be forced to spend money on lawsuits to keep what is theirs.

    For many, that property has been in their family for generations.

    "How can BLM come in and say, "Hey, this isn't yours." Even though it’s patented from the state, you've always paid taxes on it. Our family has paid taxes for over 100 years on this place. We've got a deed to it. But yet they walked in and said it wasn't ours," said Henderson.

    Ever since the Louisiana Purchase in 1803, there has been controversy over where Oklahoma ends and Texas begins.

    In layman’s terms the boundary is the vegetation line on the south side of the Red River.

    A more technical explanation continues at the link.

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    Re: BLM Claims 90,000 Acres Does Not Belong To Texas, Attempts To Seize Ranch

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Here's a report from a TV station:

    Henderson lost a lawsuit 30 years ago that moved part of the northern Texas border over a mile to the south.

    The Bureau of Land Management [BLM] took 140 acres of his property and didn’t pay him one cent.

    Now, they want to use his case as precedent to seize land along a 116-mile stretch of the river.

    “They’re wanting to take the boundaries that the courts placed here and extend those east and west to the forks of the river north of Vernon and east to the 98th Meridian which is about 20 miles east of us,” Henderson explained.

    BLM, which oversees public land in the United States, claims this land never belonged to Texas.

    The Texas landowners who have lived and cared for that land for hundreds of years beg to differ.

    BLM plans on taking the land anyway. Property owners will be forced to spend money on lawsuits to keep what is theirs.

    For many, that property has been in their family for generations.

    "How can BLM come in and say, "Hey, this isn't yours." Even though it’s patented from the state, you've always paid taxes on it. Our family has paid taxes for over 100 years on this place. We've got a deed to it. But yet they walked in and said it wasn't ours," said Henderson.

    Ever since the Louisiana Purchase in 1803, there has been controversy over where Oklahoma ends and Texas begins.

    In layman’s terms the boundary is the vegetation line on the south side of the Red River.

    A more technical explanation continues at the link.
    It's apparent the OP link absolutely massacred the story it links to. Even then it is still unclear what this 90,000 acre number is supposed to apply to. The river is not 2,475 miles long and is not moving 100 yards.

    If you do the math with the 140 lost acres it works out to about ~10 feet lost down a 116 mile stretch which makes sense in the rancher's case.

    Absolutely terrible OP article, should be shot to death and cremated.

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