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JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prosecuti

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Beaudreaux said:
Good points. And yes, Issa is a hell of an investigator. A dogged and determined investigator. He's also pragmatic. If he thought nothing was there, he would have backed off to save face. But he knew something, somehow, and now he's getting to the meat. He reminds me of an old southern cooter (a turtle) that once they bight into you, won't let go. As a young boy in the south, you learn at an early age not go skinny dipping in a pond with cooters.
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Cooters. Heh. On one of the back roads here a few days ago I saw a huge one crossing. 'Course, around here, all roads are back roads, and the stream near that road has no ducks. No wonder there. Lerner will talk when the pressure is significant enough. She has her life and retirement to protect in the end, and I suspect a deal will be made. It appears there is certain knowledge that Lerner did not act without direction.
 
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mak2 said:
What "facts" exactly.
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None that you will ever accept. Go back to being the personification of the anagram of MARINE.
 
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Still no facts? This it the problem with the right wing scandals. lets see, in Benghazi there was an AC130 overhead and a division of Marines on hand that Obama refused to allow to be called in because he might have to use the word terrorism. Four Amerincans die and the RW attempts to make policical hay. Then there was Fast and Furious, remember when the RWers were all worked up because it was a gun grab, and the IRS and Obama would not wear a flag and the bither thing and the RW fantasy goes on and on. OK I get it, demanding facts is jsut too much.
keymanjim said:
None that you will ever accept. Go back to being the personification of the anagram of MARINE.
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Beaudreaux said:
Good points. And yes, Issa is a hell of an investigator. A dogged and determined investigator. He's also pragmatic. If he thought nothing was there, he would have backed off to save face. But he knew something, somehow, and now he's getting to the meat. He reminds me of an old southern cooter (a turtle) that once they bight into you, won't let go. As a young boy in the south, you learn at an early age not go skinny dipping in a pond with cooters.
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Excellent analogy. I know what a cooter is and you're so right about it being akin to Issa.
 
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mak2 said:
Still no facts?
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Oh, I have a fact for you. I'll have to review the forum rules before I tell you.
 
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Why so emotional? Starting to realize it might all be BS? I remeber when I realized I was wrong and had to start thinking for myself, it is not a very comfortable thought.
keymanjim said:
Oh, I have a fact for you. I'll have to review the forum rules before I tell you.
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mak2 said:
Why so emotional? Starting to realize it might all be BS? I remeber when I realized I was wrong and had to start thinking for myself, it is not a very comfortable thought.
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Why is it that facts have been coming out left and right the last 30 days, all of which are posted in various places on this forum, but you seem to be clueless on their existence?

How about you do some reading up on a topic BEFORE you decide to weigh in on it?
 
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Grim17 said:
Why is it that facts have been coming out left and right the last 30 days, all of which are posted in various places on this forum, but you seem to be clueless on their existence?

How about you do some reading up on a topic BEFORE you decide to weigh in on it?
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Maddow tells him all he needs to know.
 
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Trot out one single "fact" that shows there was any WH involvement in some sort of scandal. Or, if possible, some strong evidnece there was any wrong doing at all. Facts are just a little (er really a lot) different than RW noise.
Grim17 said:
Why is it that facts have been coming out left and right the last 30 days, all of which are posted in various places on this forum, but you seem to be clueless on their existence?

How about you do some reading up on a topic BEFORE you decide to weigh in on it?
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mak2 said:
Trot out one single "fact" that shows there was any WH involvement in some sort of scandal. Or, if possible, some strong evidnece there was any wrong doing at all. Facts are just a little (er really a lot) different than RW noise.
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That's what I thought... You are well aware of the facts and were only attempting to create a straw man argument to shift the topic.

I'm sorry, but I will not be taking the bait and allowing you to turn this topic into another muddled up mess.
 
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Of course not, dont muddle up a good scandal with a fact or two. :roll:

One single fact? Just one? That is why I refer to the RW scandals as fantasy.
Grim17 said:
That's what I thought... You are well aware of the facts and were only attempting to create a straw man argument to shift the topic.

I'm sorry, but I will not be taking the bait and allowing you to turn this topic into another muddled up mess.
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mak2 said:
Of course not, dont muddle up a good scandal with a fact or two. :roll:

One single fact? Just one? That is why I refer to the RW scandals as fantasy.
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There are plenty of facts... It just too bad you ideology prevents you from accepting them.
 
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Grim17 said:
There are plenty of facts... It just too bad you ideology prevents you from accepting them.
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I seriously don't know why you keep saying that, when it true in spades of you.
 
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Yea, just one would give us something to discuss. The problem is when talking about these so called scandals witht he right they know "facts" no one else does.
pbrauer said:
I seriously don't know why you keep saying that, when it true in spades of you.
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Grim17 said:
Why is it that facts have been coming out left and right the last 30 days, all of which are posted in various places on this forum, but you seem to be clueless on their existence?

How about you do some reading up on a topic BEFORE you decide to weigh in on it?
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Well the email to True the Vote from Cummings was not about the IRS, it was about Vote suppression. i posted a link yesterday.
 
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Sababa said:
yes they were doing their job which includes seeing if a group lied on their
application which is a crime. In the non-right wing fantasy world of hate that is called doing their jobs.
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LOL !!

What color is the sky in your world ?

Lerner ADMITTED targeting Conservativesx and then lied about it being the fault of rogue agents in Cincinnati.

After that she took the 5th so as to not INCRIMINATE herself 24 Consecutive times under oath.

You're the only one living in a Fantasy world.
 
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pbrauer said:
Well the email to True to Vote from Cummings was not about the IRS, it was about Vote suppression. i posted a link yesterday.
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Then he investigated the wrong people.

If the Dems were truly concerned about voter suppression they would start their investigations in Democrat districts and States all over the Country.

Heyx one of the 8 DEMOCRAT politicians that nearly bankrupted Bell California got sentenced to 12 years this week.

THAT was voter suppression.
 
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Fenton said:
Then he investigated the wrong people.

If the Dems were truly concerned about voter suppression they would start their investigations in Democrat districts and States all over the Country.

Heyx one of the 8 DEMOCRAT politicians that nearly bankrupted Bell California got sentenced to 12 years this week.

THAT was voter suppression.
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Do you have any idea what True The Vote is?
 
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n 2013, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS) revealed that it had selected political groups applying for tax-exempt status for closer scrutiny based on their names or political themes. This led to wide condemnation of the agency and triggered several investigations, including a Federal Bureau of Investigation criminal probe ordered by United States Attorney General Eric Holder.[1][2] Initial reports described the selections as nearly exclusively of conservative groups with terms such as "Tea Party" in their names. Further investigation revealed that liberal-leaning groups and the Occupy movement had also triggered additional scrutiny.[3][4][5][6][7] The only denial of tax-exempt status by the IRS was to a progressive group.[8] The use of target lists continued through May 2013.[9]
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2013 IRS scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of indications of potential political campaign intervention. Ineffective management: 1) allowed inappropriate criteria to be developed and stay in place for more than 18 months, 2) resulted in substantial delays in processing certain applications, and 3) allowed unnecessary information requests to be issued. Although the processing of some applications with potential significant political campaign intervention was started soon after receipt, no work was completed on the majority of these applications for 13 months.... For the 296 total political campaign intervention applications [reviewed in the audit] as of December 17, 2012, 108 had been approved, 28 were withdrawn by the applicant, none had been denied, and 160 were open from 206 to 1,138 calendar days (some for more than three years and crossing two election cycles).... Many organizations received requests for additional information from the IRS that included unnecessary, burdensome questions (e.g., lists of past and future donors).[16]
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Kal'Stang said:
How many applicants applied that were liberal or conservative doesn't really matter. What matters is how many conservative groups were targetted vs how many liberal groups were targetted.
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Not if the percentage of applicants was heavily tilted toward the conservative side.

Again, I've never seen this reported. If 50 (say) TP groups applied, and 10 "liberal" groups applied, wouldn't it stand to reason when you're using ham-fisted BOLO tactics, that more conservative groups would be targeted?
 
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Kobie said:
Not if the percentage of applicants was heavily tilted toward the conservative side.

Again, I've never seen this reported. If 50 (say) TP groups applied, and 10 "liberal" groups applied, wouldn't it stand to reason when you're using ham-fisted BOLO tactics, that more conservative groups would be targeted?
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Not if all 50 TP groups were targeted while only 1 liberal group was targeted. I'm talking about percentages here. Not total numbers which is what you're talking about. When talking about political groups if 90% of one group gets targeted while 10% of another group gets targeted then there is an obvious bias at work. I could understand some discrepency such as 55% vs 45%, but anything beyond that and things are obviously not right.
 
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So anyway, back to the OP. Why shouldnt entities that lie on documents be prosecuted?
 
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mak2 said:
So anyway, back to the OP. Why shouldnt entities that lie on documents be prosecuted?
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Lol..... "Back to the Op " ?

The OP is about Lois Lerner, the same Lois Lerner that first admitted to the targeting of Conservative groups and then lied about it being the fault of "rogue agents" in Cinci.

It about the same Low life, Lying Liberal scumbag that went on to plead the 5th ammendment 24 Consecutive times under oath ( so as not to INCRIMINATE herself ) and her desire to prosecute these Conservative groups.

You understand the context of this thread I hope ?

The OPs NOT about prosecuting people that " lie on documents".

If you want to start a thread about prosecuting people that do that then go for it.
 
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So are you saying lying is ok? But discussing wehter to prosecute ornot is some sort of smking gun? I have a hard time understanding RW "proof" somtimes, well no pretty much all the time, sounds like noise. "The newly released IRS documents contain an email exchange between Lerner and Nikole C. Flax, then-Chief of Staff to then-Acting IRS Commissioner Steven T. Miller discussing plans to work with the DOJ to prosecute nonprofit groups that “lied” (Lerner’s quotation marks) about political activities."
Fenton said:
Lol..... "Back to the Op " ?

The OP is about Lois Lerner, the same Lois Lerner that first admitted to the targeting of Conservative groups and then lied about it being the fault of "rogue agents" in Cinci.

It about the same Low life, Lying Liberal scumbag that went on to plead the 5th ammendment 24 Consecutive times under oath ( so as not to INCRIMINATE herself ) and her desire to prosecute these Conservative groups.

You understand the context of this thread I hope ?

The OPs NOT about prosecuting people that " lie on documents".

If you want to start a thread about prosecuting people that do that then go for it.
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