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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    True. And he had a Democrat House and Senate to face. At least Republicans in Congress agreed that what he did do was wrong.

    The current climate in Congress is that the Democrats will defend their own regardless of what is found out.

    I don't know how long that will last though. As more and more comes out, there are Democrats that I know are honorable people and they will surely turn on those that have lied to them as well by ensuring them that "there's nothing there to find, because 'we' didn't do what 'they' say we did." I know a few here in NC that will role over quick and kick their own party leadership right in the crotch when push comes shove and the illegal activity comes to true light. So far, there's just enough doubt to keep them quiet. And, I mean quiet. Before the last few weeks when all this started coming to light, every Democrat was screaming that Issa was on a witch hunt. But now? Many are in the "no comment" mode. The next step is condemnation coming from within the Democrat party. And they know that if they don't, they will loose enough credibility back home with swing voters and moderate Democrats to loose their re-election.

    Their not stupid. Loyal to the party? Yes. Stupid? Not by a long shot.

    The circular firing squad is already getting in formation.
    There are just too many strings in such activities for the offenders to keep up with. Sooner or later things unravel, and this IRS bit is true to form in that regard. A tipping point has been reached. It's obvious now that coordination was required here, and I believe that at some point that WH counsel fellow is going to be implicated now that the dominoes are starting to fall. I'm not a particularly big fan of Issa, but I sure wouldn't want him dogging me.

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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I have an issue with your belief though and not having to do with just Democrats. Politicians by nature will not go against their party leadership as doing so would mean an end to their political career. The only people who would do such a thing will be put out to pasture quickly and quietly regardless of party. Political parties used to have scruples, used to know the difference between right and wrong - however that is a rarity in modern times. Most want to make sure they are re-elected first, second that they stay in lock step with their leadership (so they can get re-elected) and third that they can make lots of money in a long career. When they must, they represent the people who voted them in. When they must, they claim they care about the little people, the poor, the farmers, the dock workers, the whatever. What they really care about are the lobbyists and PAC's who fund their campaigns, and what push button issue will see them re-elected with party leaderships help. Anyone who goes against party now, does so because they do not care about a political career so their influence by the nature of the political system, is minimal at best. No one cares about some 5th district Congressman who wants to do the right thing when an idiot in Florida grabs headlines proudly proclaiming the other side want you to die quickly. It's about sensationalism, outrageous behavior and statements, grabbing headlines and making money. This is why our systems is seen as so corrupt from the outside.

    They cannot bite the hand that feeds them.
    I don't disagree completely. You make a very good point about the current climate, which I spoke of as well. It all depends on the district. A Democrat in a purple district or a barely blue district will do whatever they need to do to get re-elected, including condemning actions taken by other in their party. And the party, IMO, will allow them to do it, so that they don't loose the seat.
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    There are just too many strings in such activities for the offenders to keep up with. Sooner or later things unravel, and this IRS bit is true to form in that regard. A tipping point has been reached. It's obvious now that coordination was required here, and I believe that at some point that WH counsel fellow is going to be implicated now that the dominoes are starting to fall. I'm not a particularly big fan of Issa, but I sure wouldn't want him dogging me.
    Good points. And yes, Issa is a hell of an investigator. A dogged and determined investigator. He's also pragmatic. If he thought nothing was there, he would have backed off to save face. But he knew something, somehow, and now he's getting to the meat. He reminds me of an old southern cooter (a turtle) that once they bight into you, won't let go. As a young boy in the south, you learn at an early age not go skinny dipping in a pond with cooters.
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

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    How many applicants applied that were liberal or conservative doesn't really matter. What matters is how many conservative groups were targetted vs how many liberal groups were targetted.
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    What "facts" exactly. To you guys this OP is a "fact" there was wrongdoing. What "facts?"OTE=Beaudreaux;1063162722]Have you been reading? Even the media, although very limited, has stated the exact same things that have been posted in this and other threads on this subject.

    Denial is not possible... well, it's possible, but not realistic or logical.

    Some very powerful Democrats have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and from all appearances are still being caught in additional jars.

    Just read the facts presented multiple times already. I really don't think I need to retype them here.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Good points. And yes, Issa is a hell of an investigator. A dogged and determined investigator. He's also pragmatic. If he thought nothing was there, he would have backed off to save face. But he knew something, somehow, and now he's getting to the meat. He reminds me of an old southern cooter (a turtle) that once they bight into you, won't let go. As a young boy in the south, you learn at an early age not go skinny dipping in a pond with cooters.
    Cooters. Heh. On one of the back roads here a few days ago I saw a huge one crossing. 'Course, around here, all roads are back roads, and the stream near that road has no ducks. No wonder there. Lerner will talk when the pressure is significant enough. She has her life and retirement to protect in the end, and I suspect a deal will be made. It appears there is certain knowledge that Lerner did not act without direction.

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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What "facts" exactly.
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Still no facts? This it the problem with the right wing scandals. lets see, in Benghazi there was an AC130 overhead and a division of Marines on hand that Obama refused to allow to be called in because he might have to use the word terrorism. Four Amerincans die and the RW attempts to make policical hay. Then there was Fast and Furious, remember when the RWers were all worked up because it was a gun grab, and the IRS and Obama would not wear a flag and the bither thing and the RW fantasy goes on and on. OK I get it, demanding facts is jsut too much.
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Good points. And yes, Issa is a hell of an investigator. A dogged and determined investigator. He's also pragmatic. If he thought nothing was there, he would have backed off to save face. But he knew something, somehow, and now he's getting to the meat. He reminds me of an old southern cooter (a turtle) that once they bight into you, won't let go. As a young boy in the south, you learn at an early age not go skinny dipping in a pond with cooters.
    Excellent analogy. I know what a cooter is and you're so right about it being akin to Issa.

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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Still no facts?
    Oh, I have a fact for you. I'll have to review the forum rules before I tell you.
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