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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    This "scandal" started out as Obama have several meetings with someone from the IRS, inculding the Easter Egg hunt day, to plan and contorl the stomping out of conservative orgs seeking tax free status or at least the oppurtunity not to reveal their donors (should have a thread about that). Short answer, no I see no wide spread wrong doing. Nothing. Generally there needs to be a little evidence to keep a scandal alive for this long. If the RW would just have a little evidence for one of their mindless scandals before they go off the deep end...just once maybe people would take them a bit more seriously.
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    Sababa, do you really believe that this was just "due diligence?" There's nothing going on with this IRS affair, nothing at all that raises in your mind, suspicion?
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    This "scandal" started out as Obama have several meetings with someone from the IRS, inculding the Easter Egg hunt day, to plan and contorl the stomping out of conservative orgs seeking tax free status or at least the oppurtunity not to reveal their donors (should have a thread about that). Short answer, no I see no wide spread wrong doing. Nothing. Generally there needs to be a little evidence to keep a scandal alive for this long. If the RW would just have a little evidence for one of their mindless scandals before they go off the deep end...just once maybe people would take them a bit more seriously.
    So lerner lied when she said the IRS was targeting conservative groups illegally?
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Is that your evidence of a scandal?
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    So lerner lied when she said the IRS was targeting conservative groups illegally?
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The problem with the "this is no big deal" group on here is... this IS a big deal, and it's real.

    Talk crap about Issa and all the rest if you wish. You can't deny the facts, and they're coming out more and more. The IRS, the DOJ, certain senior Democrats in Congress and potentially in the White House will eventually have to answer for this in court.

    Just ask some of the Nixon Administration what happens when you ignore the law and use the power of the Federal Government as your personal political enforcer.
    And in truth, Nixon never went this far off the reservation.

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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Is that your evidence of a scandal?
    I asked a simple question, was she lying? And there is no scandal, it's all just right wing racists making **** up to get stupid people riled up to enrich big wigs on the back of the working poor and chaining minorities into lifetimes of servitude!!!
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    At what point did she say she illegally targeted conserivative gorups, provide the exact quote and that would be a small bit of evidence for us to discuss. This is what happens when a rational person tries to stay factual with emotional types. I have said absolutely nothing for you to go into the racist, ****, stupid blah blah blah babble. So if you can calm down and present soem real evidence fine, I am very interested in discussing it. If not, blabber on.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I asked a simple question, was she lying? And there is no scandal, it's all just right wing racists making **** up to get stupid people riled up to enrich big wigs on the back of the working poor and chaining minorities into lifetimes of servitude!!!
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by keymanjim View Post
    This should answer that question:

    Somewhat moot. At the core of this is the fact that 501(c)(4)s are not to be used for political organizations. When a ton of political organizations file for that status claiming to be substantially educational, "the IRS doing their jobs" is to scrutinize them.... Given the TEA party political focus AND their stated disdain for the IRS, it stands to reason their applications for 501(c)(4), which at first blush they will not qualify for, is going to get a hard look.

    Moreover, you don't actually have to apply for 501(c)(4) status; you can self declare. You "apply" when you know your organizational purpose operates on the fringe of the regulation; which most TEA party groups did.
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What "facts" exactly?
    Have you been reading? Even the media, although very limited, has stated the exact same things that have been posted in this and other threads on this subject.

    Denial is not possible... well, it's possible, but not realistic or logical.

    Some very powerful Democrats have been caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and from all appearances are still being caught in additional jars.

    Just read the facts presented multiple times already. I really don't think I need to retype them here.
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    And in truth, Nixon never went this far off the reservation.
    True. And he had a Democrat House and Senate to face. At least Republicans in Congress agreed that what he did do was wrong.

    The current climate in Congress is that the Democrats will defend their own regardless of what is found out.

    I don't know how long that will last though. As more and more comes out, there are Democrats that I know are honorable people and they will surely turn on those that have lied to them as well by ensuring them that "there's nothing there to find, because 'we' didn't do what 'they' say we did." I know a few here in NC that will role over quick and kick their own party leadership right in the crotch when push comes shove and the illegal activity comes to true light. So far, there's just enough doubt to keep them quiet. And, I mean quiet. Before the last few weeks when all this started coming to light, every Democrat was screaming that Issa was on a witch hunt. But now? Many are in the "no comment" mode. The next step is condemnation coming from within the Democrat party. And they know that if they don't, they will loose enough credibility back home with swing voters and moderate Democrats to loose their re-election.

    Their not stupid. Loyal to the party? Yes. Stupid? Not by a long shot.

    The circular firing squad is already getting in formation.
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    Re: JW Obtains IRS Documents Showing Lerner in Contact With DOJ about Potential Prose

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post

    I don't know how long that will last though. As more and more comes out, there are Democrats that I know are honorable people and they will surely turn on those that have lied to them as well by ensuring them that "there's nothing there to find, because 'we' didn't do what 'they' say we did." I know a few here in NC that will role over quick and kick their own party leadership right in the crotch when push comes shove and the illegal activity comes to true light.
    I have an issue with your belief though and not having to do with just Democrats. Politicians by nature will not go against their party leadership as doing so would mean an end to their political career. The only people who would do such a thing will be put out to pasture quickly and quietly regardless of party. Political parties used to have scruples, used to know the difference between right and wrong - however that is a rarity in modern times. Most want to make sure they are re-elected first, second that they stay in lock step with their leadership (so they can get re-elected) and third that they can make lots of money in a long career. When they must, they represent the people who voted them in. When they must, they claim they care about the little people, the poor, the farmers, the dock workers, the whatever. What they really care about are the lobbyists and PAC's who fund their campaigns, and what push button issue will see them re-elected with party leaderships help. Anyone who goes against party now, does so because they do not care about a political career so their influence by the nature of the political system, is minimal at best. No one cares about some 5th district Congressman who wants to do the right thing when an idiot in Florida grabs headlines proudly proclaiming the other side want you to die quickly. It's about sensationalism, outrageous behavior and statements, grabbing headlines and making money. This is why our systems is seen as so corrupt from the outside.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Their not stupid. Loyal to the party? Yes. Stupid? Not by a long shot.
    They cannot bite the hand that feeds them.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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