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    NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    The New York City Police Department has ended a program that once kept tabs on the city's muslim population. (April 15)


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    Well i say about goddamn time! This was a ridiculous program to begin with! Hell i would argue its against unreasonable search and seizure, but then again I believe a lot of things we do are! But hey at least it finally ended! I guess a step forward!?!?!?


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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBtHBQoDnvc

    Well i say about goddamn time! This was a ridiculous program to begin with! Hell i would argue its against unreasonable search and seizure, but then again I believe a lot of things we do are! But hey at least it finally ended! I guess a step forward!?!?!?
    Since Bloomie and Kelly are gone, the fascist NYPD needs to stop their illegal and intrusive tactics.
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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Bloomberg is definitely an asshole.
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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Rush had a commercial on his show yesterday talking about now they keep a closer eye on Prespterians, you know, "our" grandmothers. So many things wrong with that...
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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBtHBQoDnvc

    Well i say about goddamn time! This was a ridiculous program to begin with! Hell i would argue its against unreasonable search and seizure, but then again I believe a lot of things we do are! But hey at least it finally ended! I guess a step forward!?!?!?
    This is a welcome development. Surveillance should be focused on individuals who are suspected of posing a threat based on a degree of evidence. Blanket surveillance is inconsistent with risk-based surveillance.

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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    This is a welcome development. Surveillance should be focused on individuals who are suspected of posing a threat based on a degree of evidence. Blanket surveillance is inconsistent with risk-based surveillance.
    Until the next Islamic extremist kills lots of people in NY. Then the people who supported this will be raked over the coals.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBtHBQoDnvc

    Well i say about goddamn time! This was a ridiculous program to begin with! Hell i would argue its against unreasonable search and seizure, but then again I believe a lot of things we do are! But hey at least it finally ended! I guess a step forward!?!?!?
    But if Cuba does something like this...

    This is amazing news! It's so AWESOME! Cuba is reforming and I just think (IMO) that this is amazing news! Socialism is the best! Great job, Cuba!!

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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Until the next Islamic extremist kills lots of people in NY. Then the people who supported this will be raked over the coals.
    A focus on individuals who pose risks does not preclude monitoring extremist groups. Jihadist groups can and should be monitored.

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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    A focus on individuals who pose risks does not preclude monitoring extremist groups. Jihadist groups can and should be monitored.
    Individuals who are extremist Muslims do not normally act alone or without assistance from a group. I agree that probable cause is needed but how does one get probable cause without either a tip or human assets with eyes watching these individuals or groups? I'm not sure NYC has the expertise for this anyway and I'd much rather the FBI insert moles into the hot bed areas instead of NYC doing this on their own - so maybe it's not such a bad thing they are disbanding.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Would you object to the FBI inserting a mole in an inner city church if a lot of local criminals went to church there at some point? I am not really trying to argue a point, I just want to think this through. On my first thought I think Islam should be treated EXACTLY like every other religion in the US. Why should it be different?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Individuals who are extremist Muslims do not normally act alone or without assistance from a group. I agree that probable cause is needed but how does one get probable cause without either a tip or human assets with eyes watching these individuals or groups? I'm not sure NYC has the expertise for this anyway and I'd much rather the FBI insert moles into the hot bed areas instead of NYC doing this on their own - so maybe it's not such a bad thing they are disbanding.
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