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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Would you object to the FBI inserting a mole in an inner city church if a lot of local criminals went to church there at some point? I am not really trying to argue a point, I just want to think this through. On my first thought I think Islam should be treated EXACTLY like every other religion in the US. Why should it be different?
    If the inner city church has suspected members who have designs to cause terrorism, sure. If Catholics were blowing themselves up in highly populated areas I'd say the same thing about Catholics.
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    Yea, when I try to think stuff like this through I often use the Catholic and Protestants from back in their terrorist days. Did we have FBI agents in the churchs back then looking for contributors to the IRA?
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    If the inner city church has suspected members who have designs to cause terrorism, sure. If Catholics were blowing themselves up in highly populated areas I'd say the same thing about Catholics.
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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Yea, when I try to think stuff like this through I often use the Catholic and Protestants from back in their terrorist days. Did we have FBI agents in the churchs back then looking for contributors to the IRA?
    To my knowledge the IRA's area of operations were in Northern Ireland against the British. I know of no reason why the FBI would have agents in churches in America when America wasn't being targeted. I'm sure we didn't have the FBI checking for Chechen separatists either until the Boston Bombing, their normal area of operation was Chechnya - just like the PKK's area of operation was southern Turkey / Northern Iraq.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    IIRC it was pretty common knowledge bar owner and other buisness shipped lots of money back home to fund the IRA. But it doenst matter, i am just thinking about it. I still dont like idea of any leo's spying on churchs without a warrent or something. I think of Church like at home or something.
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    To my knowledge the IRA's area of operations were in Northern Ireland against the British. I know of no reason why the FBI would have agents in churches in America when America wasn't being targeted. I'm sure we didn't have the FBI checking for Chechen separatists either until the Boston Bombing, their normal area of operation was Chechnya - just like the PKK's area of operation was southern Turkey / Northern Iraq.
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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    The religion of peace.

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    After thinking about it, I dont think LEO's should be allowed in any chuch no matter who's it is, muslim, satan worshippers whatever, without a search warrent.
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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    After thinking about it, I dont think LEO's should be allowed in any chuch no matter who's it is, muslim, satan worshippers whatever, without a search warrent.
    I don't think they were sending cops in churches for just any reason. And many cops to to church on their own based on their beliefs.

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    I did not mean they couldnt go to their own church. I thought the program sent police officers to church undercover to keep an eye on them. nevermind, I cant keep up with the importatn stuff when work keeps interfering
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    I don't think they were sending cops in churches for just any reason. And many cops to to church on their own based on their beliefs.
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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Until the next Islamic extremist kills lots of people in NY. Then the people who supported this will be raked over the coals.
    How many Christian extremists killing people do we need before we start curtailing their rights?
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    Re: NYPD Ends Muslim Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    How many Christian extremists killing people do we need before we start curtailing their rights?
    What rights were being curtailed?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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