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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't know if you post on a political debate board due to a need to feel "validated", but that's not why I post. I post because I enjoy expressing my views and opinions on issues. I'm "dismissing it as a 'college' stunt" because that's what I view it as, and thus I'm stating such. I don't post here for validation of my views.

    Do you think Maggie feels "validated" by claiming it was a powerful message? I doubt it. I imagine she simply felt a particular way about a topic posted on this board and posted her views. As did I.
    A protest isn't right or wrong based on its participants being in college. That's what I meant, you know this, and I think you're above such facile arguments

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    They do on the clock, if the university doesn't support it.

    I think faculty doing it shows immaturity and poor judgment, and if I was president of the institution I would not allow it.
    I think you'd have to look at the terms of their employment to see if they were out of line.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    LOL. Such a victory!

    At least your group was civilized about it, though I think faculty arranging a protest against free speech was wrong. Faculty should have stayed out of it - and if class credit was offered to those taking one side of a political issue - thus punishing those who do not agree - it was entirely wrong and such faculty should be sanctioned for doing so.

    Again, at least it was a civilized protest rather than shouting him down.
    no one's free speech was in jeopardy and it looks like a student protest

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I haven't suggested you were trying anything contrary to that.



    And that's exactly what I'm doing as well by mocking the attitude you're exhibiting in regards retelling what you did.

    You and everyone else is well within your right to have done the protest.

    In the exact same fashion, I'm well within my right to laugh at the attitude and implication that you made any actual impact or did anything of note other than basically a bunch of college kids having a circle jerk. You go on about causing an "exodus" where as in reality it seems like you got a bunch of people to show up for something that they wouldn't have shown up for anyways, and then got a bunch of people to leave something they wouldn't have shown up to anyways. And then want to act like it was some big deal.

    You didn't cause an "exodus". You got a bunch of people to walk one direction and then walk another, which basically resulted in a little bit of a kurfuffle before the event went on in the exact same fashion it would've likely gone on had you not done it.

    It'd be one thing if the little walk out actually was a few people and inspired a bunch of people who otherwise would've stayed to get up and walk out as well. But that doens't seem to be what happened. A bunch of douchy college kids went to something thinking they could cause a scene, caused a scene, and then clapped themselves on the back for making a scene.

    Wooo! Social justice...or something

    I'm sure the minds of those people who stayed were changed. I'm sure there were people who previously thought "Yo, hatin gays be cool" but suddenly realized that "Hey, a bunch of people walked out of something they never would've attended anyways. I now understand...hating gays is bad!"

    You pulled off a college stunt and got some attention for it. Congratulations, you're campus is the whiny and less entertaining version of the Oregon Duck singing Gangnam Style. I have no issue with college kids acting like college kids and pulling a college stunt. But forgive me if I'm not going to fawn over it or buy into this laughable notion that it was some "powerful" social protest or some brave action or some significant political message.

    It's called "moral suasion" and it has been shown to work.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think you'd have to look at the terms of their employment to see if they were out of line.
    I doubt that there's a clause in that contract, but I would say that any action that causes a poor reflection on the university could be a dismissable offense. That includes this, in my book.

    Many professors already have limited reign to force their agendas. They don't need more.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    Hello all,

    I've been meaning to post this for a few days, just haven't gotten around to it.

    I am a student at Sinclair Community College, where this took place. Yes, I was there. It was actually rather fun. LaBarbera was late, so we all took turns talking about why acceptance is better than vitriol and opposition. We stayed for a few minutes, then we just left.

    Some claim that this was orchestrated by faculty, offering extra credit in their classes. For my part, none of my faculty members even mentioned this event was occuring, the only way I knew about was billboards around campus (like the one pictured in the 1st link below). I do know that a student advocacy group (the Traditional Values Club) invited LaBarbera to speak, and another advocacy group (the Silent Majority) were the ones who staged the protest. Both groups have faculty members.

    The area where this happened was in the second floor of our library, we call it the Loggia. It can hold maybe 100-150 people, and as you can see in the picture, it was close to full when the event started, but after the exodus, maybe 20 people stayed to listen.

    Mass Speech Walk Out: From Sinclair Community College To Peter LaBarbera With (No) Love

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    The Dread Pirate Rodgers How I Helped Ruin Peter LaBarbera's Day
    I'm not sure about the actual effectiveness of walking out on the man during the speech. What was the purpose? The man I'm sure already knows that the opposite size despises him and they are only lending him credence by very visibly acknowledging him and then turning their backs and leaving. It's kind of like the poster who doesn't like someone and instead of just adding them to the ignore list they have to make a show of it first by responding and saying that they are adding the individual to the ignore list. It's immature and pathetic.

    Not that I like, agree with or support Peter LaBarbera.
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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I doubt that there's a clause in that contract, but I would say that any I action that causes a poor reflection on the university could be a dismissable offense. That includes this, in my book.

    Many professors already have limited reign to force their agendas. They don't need more.
    I guess you'll just have to wait on a statement by the president. It's possible that expressing your opinion through peaceful protest may be considered as not only American but representative of the ideals that university would like to inculcate in their student body.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I guess you'll just have to wait on a statement by the president. It's possible that expressing your opinion through peaceful protest may be considered as not only American but representative of the ideals that university would like to inculcate in their student body.
    Depends on the president. If he allows it, that's his right. If he doesn't, that's his right.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    LOL. Such a victory!

    At least your group was civilized about it, though I think faculty arranging a protest against free speech was wrong. Faculty should have stayed out of it - and if class credit was offered to those taking one side of a political issue - thus punishing those who do not agree - it was entirely wrong and such faculty should be sanctioned for doing so.

    Again, at least it was a civilized protest rather than shouting him down.
    As to the credit issue, I don't think that is true. While it is true that faculty exists in both TVC and the Silent Majority, as with most clubs on our campus, they are more there in an advisory role than a leadership one. And considering membership in Silent Majority is not dependent on classes taken, but is open to all students who wish to join, I don't think the credit issue is believable.

    @ Peter Grimm - the school itself did not invite him, they simply opened their facilities to the invitation of a student organization.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Very tolerant of you.
    There is no need to be tolerant of intolerance. D-, see me after class.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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