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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    So....

    A group of 20 or so people paid to have a guy come speak.

    A bunch of people went "hur hur, this'll be fun to act like we're all there to listen to him then get out and leave. That'll show him!"

    Then a group of 20 or so people got to listen to the person they paid to come speak to them.

    Wow man. Way to go. Stick it to the man.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    So, a bunch of 13th graders walked out in protest of a traditional values speaker. Gee, you must feel oh so grown up. I remember my first beer too.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    How childish of you.
    And this isn't?

    Westboro Baptist Church (Fred Phelps) at PSU Protest Documentary - YouTube

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So....

    A group of 20 or so people paid to have a guy come speak.

    A bunch of people went "hur hur, this'll be fun to act like we're all there to listen to him then get out and leave. That'll show him!"

    Then a group of 20 or so people got to listen to the person they paid to come speak to them.

    Wow man. Way to go. Stick it to the man.
    Truth be told, I have no problem with the guy coming to speak his mind. I am not sitting here telling everyone that the government should shut him down - in fact I believe the opposite. But if you are going to use your first amendment rights, you have to be willing to accept that others are going to use theirs, and that's exactly what we did. There is a rising tide of public opinion morally opposing the type of speech that LaBarbera is putting forward, in the same manner that public opinion once washed out the voice of segregationists and anti-miscegenation supporters. This is purely an outgrowth of that fact.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    LOL. Such a victory!

    At least your group was civilized about it, though I think faculty arranging a protest against free speech was wrong. Faculty should have stayed out of it - and if class credit was offered to those taking one side of a political issue - thus punishing those who do not agree - it was entirely wrong and such faculty should be sanctioned for doing so.

    Again, at least it was a civilized protest rather than shouting him down.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    And this isn't?

    Westboro Baptist Church (Fred Phelps) at PSU Protest Documentary - YouTube



    Truth be told, I have no problem with the guy coming to speak his mind. I am not sitting here telling everyone that the government should shut him down - in fact I believe the opposite. But if you are going to use your first amendment rights, you have to be willing to accept that others are going to use theirs, and that's exactly what we did. There is a rising tide of public opinion morally opposing the type of speech that LaBarbera is putting forward, in the same manner that public opinion once washed out the voice of segregationists and anti-miscegenation supporters. This is purely an outgrowth of that fact.
    You ever hear the saying "two wrongs don't make a right?"

    The adult thing to do would have been not to invite this guy to speak at your school to begin with.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by darkrecess View Post
    Truth be told, I have no problem with the guy coming to speak his mind. I am not sitting here telling everyone that the government should shut him down - in fact I believe the opposite.
    I haven't suggested you were trying anything contrary to that.

    But if you are going to use your first amendment rights, you have to be willing to accept that others are going to use theirs, and that's exactly what we did.
    And that's exactly what I'm doing as well by mocking the attitude you're exhibiting in regards retelling what you did.

    You and everyone else is well within your right to have done the protest.

    In the exact same fashion, I'm well within my right to laugh at the attitude and implication that you made any actual impact or did anything of note other than basically a bunch of college kids having a circle jerk. You go on about causing an "exodus" where as in reality it seems like you got a bunch of people to show up for something that they wouldn't have shown up for anyways, and then got a bunch of people to leave something they wouldn't have shown up to anyways. And then want to act like it was some big deal.

    You didn't cause an "exodus". You got a bunch of people to walk one direction and then walk another, which basically resulted in a little bit of a kurfuffle before the event went on in the exact same fashion it would've likely gone on had you not done it.

    It'd be one thing if the little walk out actually was a few people and inspired a bunch of people who otherwise would've stayed to get up and walk out as well. But that doens't seem to be what happened. A bunch of douchy college kids went to something thinking they could cause a scene, caused a scene, and then clapped themselves on the back for making a scene.

    Wooo! Social justice...or something

    I'm sure the minds of those people who stayed were changed. I'm sure there were people who previously thought "Yo, hatin gays be cool" but suddenly realized that "Hey, a bunch of people walked out of something they never would've attended anyways. I now understand...hating gays is bad!"

    You pulled off a college stunt and got some attention for it. Congratulations, you're campus is the whiny and less entertaining version of the Oregon Duck singing Gangnam Style. I have no issue with college kids acting like college kids and pulling a college stunt. But forgive me if I'm not going to fawn over it or buy into this laughable notion that it was some "powerful" social protest or some brave action or some significant political message.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    LOL. Such a victory!

    At least your group was civilized about it, though I think faculty arranging a protest against free speech was wrong. Faculty should have stayed out of it - and if class credit was offered to those taking one side of a political issue - thus punishing those who do not agree - it was entirely wrong and such faculty should be sanctioned for doing so.

    Again, at least it was a civilized protest rather than shouting him down.
    Faculty don't surrender their right to protest or boycott, and as you said the protest was completely peaceful. To all the rest, this was a controversial speaker. If the group who paid for him to come didn't want dissent they were perfectly free to hold a closed speech.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I haven't suggested you were trying anything contrary to that.



    And that's exactly what I'm doing as well by mocking the attitude you're exhibiting in regards retelling what you did.

    You and everyone else is well within your right to have done the protest.

    In the exact same fashion, I'm well within my right to laugh at the attitude and implication that you made any actual impact or did anything of note other than basically a bunch of college kids having a circle jerk. You go on about causing an "exodus" where as in reality it seems like you got a bunch of people to show up for something that they wouldn't have shown up for anyways, and then got a bunch of people to leave something they wouldn't have shown up to anyways. And then want to act like it was some big deal.

    You didn't cause an "exodus". You got a bunch of people to walk one direction and then walk another, which basically resulted in a little bit of a kurfuffle before the event went on in the exact same fashion it would've likely gone on had you not done it.

    It'd be one thing if the little walk out actually was a few people and inspired a bunch of people who otherwise would've stayed to get up and walk out as well. But that doens't seem to be what happened. A bunch of douchy college kids went to something thinking they could cause a scene, caused a scene, and then clapped themselves on the back for making a scene.

    Wooo! Social justice...or something

    I'm sure the minds of those people who stayed were changed. I'm sure there were people who previously thought "Yo, hatin gays be cool" but suddenly realized that "Hey, a bunch of people walked out of something they never would've attended anyways. I now understand...hating gays is bad!"

    You pulled off a college stunt and got some attention for it. Congratulations, you're campus is the whiny and less entertaining version of the Oregon Duck singing Gangnam Style. I have no issue with college kids acting like college kids and pulling a college stunt. But forgive me if I'm not going to fawn over it or buy into this laughable notion that it was some "powerful" social protest or some brave action or some significant political message.
    Does it make you feel validated by dismissing it as a "college" stunt?

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Does it make you feel validated by dismissing it as a "college" stunt?
    I don't know if you post on a political debate board due to a need to feel "validated", but that's not why I post. I post because I enjoy expressing my views and opinions on issues. I'm "dismissing it as a 'college' stunt" because that's what I view it as, and thus I'm stating such. I don't post here for validation of my views.

    Do you think Maggie feels "validated" by claiming it was a powerful message? I doubt it. I imagine she simply felt a particular way about a topic posted on this board and posted her views. As did I.

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    Re: Walkout of Anti-Gay Event

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Faculty don't surrender their right to protest or boycott, and as you said the protest was completely peaceful. To all the rest, this was a controversial speaker. If the group who paid for him to come didn't want dissent they were perfectly free to hold a closed speech.
    They do on the clock, if the university doesn't support it.

    I think faculty doing it shows immaturity and poor judgment, and if I was president of the institution I would not allow it.

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