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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' HB. Well you know Joe.....he is going over there to give some re-assurance to the Ukrainian leaders. I don't think he will be going around any areas that predominantly Pro Russian.

    I figure if ......then Joe will fire off a warning shot or two with a shotgun.
    Yeah. Maybe Joe can leave the old two-shoot behind so we can say we're providing armaments. It'll be interesting to see if the Cook stays beyond the limitations imposed by the Montreux Convention. The frigate we sent for Sochi did, but that was because the commander ran the damn thing aground. He's been relieved.

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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    This has to be the most serious message sent to Putin yet.

    Just wish we Europeans were more united with the States on this. I really hope there are more than just the one French warship out there with the Americans.

    They will definitely need it IC......which not only the Russians ships which isn't counting the 51 vessels they captured from the Ukrainians.




    In its invasion and annexation of Crimea, Russia has seized 51 vessels belonging to the Ukrainian navy, according to information compiled by Dmitry Tymchuk, director of the Center of Military and Political Research in Kyiv.

    Among the Ukrainian vessels reportedly captured by the Russians are submarine Zaporizhia, management ship Slavutych, landing ship Konstantin Olshansky, landing ship Kirovohrad, minesweeper Chernihiv and minesweeper Cherkasy.

    The Cherkasy was the last of the ships to have been overtaken following weeks of threats and ultimatums to surrender. It was finally chased down and overtaken by the Russian navy on March 25 after failing to slip past a blockade of two ships intentionally sunk by the Russians to trap it and other vessels in a narrow gulf, keeping them from escaping into the Black Sea.....snip~

    In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea

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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Yeah. Maybe Joe can leave the old two-shoot behind so we can say we're providing armaments. It'll be interesting to see if the Cook stays beyond the limitations imposed by the Montreux Convention. The frigate we sent for Sochi did, but that was because the commander ran the damn thing aground. He's been relieved.

    The other 2 ships we sent, are out of the region.....as Putin and Russia complained to Turkey about them staying past the deadline for them.


    Turkey rejects Russian claims over US ships in Black Sea.....

    Turkey on Saturday dismissed as "out of the question" claims from Russia that it had allowed US warships to stay longer in the Black Sea than permitted under international law.

    Russia has complained that US warships have remained in the Black Sea longer than the 21 days allowed by an international treaty, amid ongoing tensions between Moscow and the West.

    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said last week that US vessels had "a couple of times" stayed longer than 21 days, contravening the 1936 Montreux Convention

    But Ankara hit back, with the foreign ministry dismissing as "odd" Russia's insistence on the convention, which limits the stay of warships from countries that do not border the Black Sea.

    Turkey, a NATO ally, has said it does not recognise the result of the referendum, voicing fears about the fate of the Turkish-speaking Tatar minority in Crimea, which was part of the Ottoman Empire until it was conquered by Russia in the late 18th century.....snip~

    Turkey rejects Russian claims over US ships in Black Sea

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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They will definitely need it IC......which not only the Russians ships which isn't counting the 51 vessels they captured from the Ukrainians.




    In its invasion and annexation of Crimea, Russia has seized 51 vessels belonging to the Ukrainian navy, according to information compiled by Dmitry Tymchuk, director of the Center of Military and Political Research in Kyiv.

    Among the Ukrainian vessels reportedly captured by the Russians are submarine Zaporizhia, management ship Slavutych, landing ship Konstantin Olshansky, landing ship Kirovohrad, minesweeper Chernihiv and minesweeper Cherkasy.

    The Cherkasy was the last of the ships to have been overtaken following weeks of threats and ultimatums to surrender. It was finally chased down and overtaken by the Russian navy on March 25 after failing to slip past a blockade of two ships intentionally sunk by the Russians to trap it and other vessels in a narrow gulf, keeping them from escaping into the Black Sea.....snip~

    In military rout, Russia seizes 51 Ukrainian ships in Crimea
    I highly doubt those ships would stand up to modern forces.

    Checked a little more and there are 3 French ships out there with USS Donald Cook and the Russians have noted that once a NATO warship has done its 21 days, it leaves and is replaced by one or more.

    The French ships include "Dupuy de Lôme" and "Dupleix". They are joined by Alize soon.

    “Given the fact that the deployment of the elements of US missile defence system in the inland territories of US European allies, including Romania, will take a long time, the Americans decided to increase the intensity of sending its guided-missile naval ships to the Black Sea,” the Russian Defense Ministry said.
    “US naval ships have been rotating in the Black Sea area on a regular basis since February 2014. One US warship which leaves the Black Sea is replaced by another vessel or even several ships. It is quite possible that the same practice will be applied to Aegis ships,” the Russian Defense Ministry said.

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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Our ship arrived there yesterday. Now it will sit off the Coast of the Ukraine. Think we have Putin's attention now? What say ye?
    Too bad that ship cant sponsor any "independence referendums" in the Russian Federation.

    I wonder if Putin will try to envoke and enforce the old Soviet claims forbidding foreign warships from approaching Sevastapol?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_(CG-48)

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    In its invasion and annexation of Crimea, Russia has seized 51 vessels belonging to the Ukrainian navy, according to information compiled by Dmitry Tymchuk, director of the Center of Military and Political Research in Kyiv.
    Most had not sailed in years and the submarine was about 35 years old. The Ukrainian submariners are probably grateful the Russians siezed it- that way they dont have to risk their lives diving in it anymore.
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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I highly doubt those ships would stand up to modern forces.

    Checked a little more and there are 3 French ships out there with USS Donald Cook and the Russians have noted that once a NATO warship has done its 21 days, it leaves and is replaced by one or more.

    The French ships include "Dupuy de Lôme" and "Dupleix". They are joined by Alize soon.

    They wont have enough.....and even if those ships can't stand up to modern forces. They can be used.....adding that much more air defense and to be used as diversions. The Russians by themselves are out numbering us 5 to 1.....if not more.



    Russian Navy vessels are anchored at a navy base in the Ukrainian Black Sea port of Sevastopol

    Russia Deploys 60 Ships near Ukraine.....



    Russia has deployed 60 ships on the East border of Ukraine and in Crimea, Acting Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Ihor Tenykh said on Tuesday, March 11.

    In addition to 60 ships, Russia has sent about 220,000 servicemen, 1800 tanks, 400 helicopters and 150 aircrafts in Crimea and on the Ukrainian East border, according to the Defence Minister’s statement.....snip~

    Russia Deploys 60 Ships near Ukraine >> Naval Today

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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    -- The Russians by themselves are out numbering us 5 to 1.....if not more --
    Those numbers are what used to be the standard ratio during the cold war. For every NATO tank or NATO serviceman you faced 5 attackers.

    I've been out of service a long time so I couldn't guess at the Russian's capabilities now.

    In addition to 60 ships, Russia has sent about 220,000 servicemen, 1800 tanks, 400 helicopters and 150 aircrafts in Crimea and on the Ukrainian East border, according to the Defence Minister’s statement.....snip~
    LOL, I spent 4 pages being chased by fallenangel in the Ukraine thread to provide video of 18 missing helicopters when all I needed was a Russian defence minister telling us they'd deployed 400?


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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Too bad that ship cant sponsor any "independence referendums" in the Russian Federation.

    I wonder if Putin will try to envoke and enforce the old Soviet claims forbidding foreign warships from approaching Sevastapol?
    USS Yorktown (CG-48) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Most had not sailed in years and the submarine was about 35 years old. The Ukrainian submariners are probably grateful the Russians siezed it- that way they dont have to risk their lives diving in it anymore.

    Mornin' Cryptic. Yeah, especially when they will be dealing with the Russians and their Ships.




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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The other 2 ships we sent, are out of the region.....as Putin and Russia complained to Turkey about them staying past the deadline for them.


    Turkey rejects Russian claims over US ships in Black Sea.....

    Turkey on Saturday dismissed as "out of the question" claims from Russia that it had allowed US warships to stay longer in the Black Sea than permitted under international law.

    Russia has complained that US warships have remained in the Black Sea longer than the 21 days allowed by an international treaty, amid ongoing tensions between Moscow and the West.

    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said last week that US vessels had "a couple of times" stayed longer than 21 days, contravening the 1936 Montreux Convention

    But Ankara hit back, with the foreign ministry dismissing as "odd" Russia's insistence on the convention, which limits the stay of warships from countries that do not border the Black Sea.

    Turkey, a NATO ally, has said it does not recognise the result of the referendum, voicing fears about the fate of the Turkish-speaking Tatar minority in Crimea, which was part of the Ottoman Empire until it was conquered by Russia in the late 18th century.....snip~

    Turkey rejects Russian claims over US ships in Black Sea
    The Russians are being sticklers on international convention? That's a laugh. If Obama has any balls, he'll ignore the convention limitations. We could close the Bosporus in a matter of hours, leaving Tartus twisting in the wind. I wonder how Putin would feel about that?

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    Re: America Sends Missile-Destroying Warship Into Russian Waters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Maggie. Well Putin was complaining when we sent the 4 destroyers to Spain to act as Missile defense from Iran. Not that I think he is worried when he already has destroyers and more ships in the vicinity than what we and NATO has.



    File this story under the rubric: "Be careful what you wish for." When the U.S. guided missile destroyer USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) departed Norfolk Naval Base to take up station at the Spanish naval base in Rota two months ago, it set off alarm bells in Moscow.

    Accusing the U.S. of attempting to set up a "strategic offensive potential" in Europe, Russian President Putin loudly condemned the move. U.S. officials calmly explained that the Cook, and its sister ships USS Ross (DDG-71), USS Carney (DDG-64), and USS Porter (DDG-78), were headed to Spain to set up a missile shield against the Iranian missile threat -- and posed no threat to Russia. But Russian State Duma foreign affairs committee Chairman Alexei Pushkov declared this explanation "fake."

    In the Russians' view, you see, the presence of a fleet of U.S. destroyers in Europe, armed with a version of the Aegis missile defense system tweaked to shoot down ballistic missiles, is a threat aimed squarely at Russia's nuclear arsenal.....snip~
    As I said, about time Russian soldiers in Crimea get bitch slapped back to Russia!
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