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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    1. Many experienced professionals in the business of obtaining information from suspects etc. disagree with the claim that torture is effective.

    2. Torture continues because people enjoy it, it creates the impression that something is being done, it is a way to express anger and hatred, and it is a form of terrorism against opponents.
    No, not "many".
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Yet our constitution is based on the notion of innocent until proven guilty. Torture assumes guilty until proven innocent (if extremely lucky) or dead.
    The enemy isn't innocent until proven guilty.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    I agree but that doesn't justify committing torture or any other human rights atrocity. Torture ALWAYS involves committing an atrocity on an innocent person. Why? Because as an American, one espouses the common law ideology that a person is innocent unless and until proven guilty by a proper court. Those who don't agree with that basic American concept are not real Americans.
    1) give us some examples of torture.

    2) what causes your aitomatic assumption that an enemy is innocent?
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1) give us some examples of torture.
    Why?

    2) what causes your aitomatic assumption that an enemy is innocent?
    When did I ever assume an enemy is innocent? I was talking about the common law doctrine as adopted by the founders that everyone is innocent unless and until proven guilty by a proper court of law. What did you not understand about that?

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The enemy isn't innocent until proven guilty.
    Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Your claim is used to justify mass murder, torture and exploitation of innocents along with the guilty and is the cause of the largest atrocities in history. Civilizations with systems of justice were created to counter those tendencies.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    Why?



    When did I ever assume an enemy is innocent? I was talking about the common law doctrine as adopted by the founders that everyone is innocent unless and until proven guilty by a proper court of law. What did you not understand about that?
    1) its germain to the conversation to know how you define torture.

    2) the topic is about torturing terrorists.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1) its germain to the conversation to know how you define torture.

    2) the topic is about torturing terrorists.
    The topic is torturing suspected terrorists.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Everyone is innocent until prove guilty.
    And even before that, an "enemy" (whoever that may be) has to first be charged with committing a crime. Furthermore, the designation of who is or isn't an "enemy" is nothing more than someone's opinion.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1) its germain to the conversation to know how you define torture.
    Not really. But to placate you, to torture is to deliberately cause another person to suffer severely, either mentally,physically or both.

    2) the topic is about torturing terrorists.
    Already clarified.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

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