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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The CIA should not be engaged in torture because it tarnishes the US image abroad and undermines our proclaimed values. Such actions have contributed to the diminishing of US influence in the world and give ammunition to dictators and tyrants, who are then able to say "well the US does it, how can they condemn us for it."

    The United States must not engage in torture. We must reclaim our values of supporting human rights and liberty across the globe and not being hypocritical in how we deal with the international community. Enough with the "do as we say, not as we do."
    Besides that, too many people enjoy torturing their enemies and it quickly gets out of hand with more and more people getting tortured and the severity increasing. (ask the Argentinians)

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I have logic and reason. When the answer is checked and not true, the torture gets worse. Eventually, the real answer comes out.

    Claims of torture not working are regarding confessions, not verifiable information.
    In many cases the facts can not be checked promptly.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    In many cases the facts can not be checked promptly.
    But if they can, torture for that verifiable information works.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Then perhaps you could explain what it is you think "verifiable information" means, exactly? Thanks!
    Information that can be verified. Not information that we will find out, some day, if it's true.

    You know, verify it and, if not true, up the discomfort. For example: the location of a bomb.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Out of control? What, torturing bad guys is out of control, and leads to government torturing good Americans? They get away with it precisely because the vast majority of American's actually like the idea of killing the bad guys. If there's a little information gathering in the process, it's not enough to turn most American's or for that matter western culture's attitudes against it. If it were otherwise, regardless of what average American's thought, if I were in charge, I'd continue, JUST LIKE WE STILL ARE!


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    You are wrongly assuming that the torture victims are all guilty "bad guys."

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who's going to conduct spy operations?
    There are 18 other spy organizations.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    There are 18 other spy organizations.
    No there isn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    In many cases the facts can not be checked promptly.
    Nothing is 100%
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    LOL, the CIA's "code" is only for feel good types like maybe you. The CIA is tasked with the responsibility of protecting American interests, and learning about potential danger, and every American President likes that idea, and secretly doesn't give a damn about how they go about doing it. Sure they'd like to keep the gory details from the American people and people like you, but that's because those who enjoy freedom and yet forget how we keep it that way are often uncomfortable with the knowledge that we actually do bite down hard every once in a while, and that people like me are under no illusions that we need to bite really hard, and IMO we need to do it more often.

    If we gain actionable intelligence, great. If not, so what!

    Tim-
    so why do you ignore the fact that the CIA ignored USA, and its own rules?


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