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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This assertion is derived from your extensive counterterrorism experience?
    From my experience and my morality.

    Not good enough for you...I really don't much care.

    Anyone that supports torture is not worth wasting my time in this thread on.


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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    From my experience and my morality.

    Not good enough for you...I really don't much care.

    Anyone that supports torture is not worth wasting my time in this thread on.


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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Torture always works when done for verifiable information, as opposed to confession.
    1) Torture= Being humiliated in your underwear by having to form a human pyramid.

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Training= Having to go outside at 2 in the morning in your underwear and forced to PT in a sandbox for a half hour, simply because the DI wants to have some fun.



    1) Torture= Sleep Deprevation, Food Deprevation, Dogs barking at them, Koran flushed down the toilet, female soldier humiliating them

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Trainin= Food depravation, sleep depravation, 4 grown men barking at you all the time, foot locker thrown out the window, Drill Instructors humiliating you, having to scrub brush the deck with your toothbrush.



    1) Torture= Can't call a lawyer, can't contact a loved one, hate the American government, but food, shelter, and medical care are covered. Allowed to worship as they want.

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Training= Can't make phone calls home, can't have visitors, can't talk to anyone, sometimes can't go to worship service, hate the Drill Instructors, but food, shelter, and medical care are covered.



    1) Torture= Sometimes they die

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Training= Ditto

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A government at war fails in its duty if it does not use every tool at its disposal to secure victory. You owe your comfortable life to men who upheld that principle.
    LOL

    Blah, blah, blah...save the nationalistic rhetoric for someone that actually buys it.

    Soldiering can be the ultimate honorable profession BUT any soldier that resorts to torture I want no part of.

    I am not wasting one more second on you in this thread...your attitude and disregard for human rights whenever it suits you disgusts me.

    We are done here.


    Good day.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    LOL

    Blah, blah, blah...save the nationalistic rhetoric for someone that actually buys it.

    Soldiering can be the ultimate honorable profession BUT any soldier that resorts to torture I want no part of.

    I am not wasting one more second on you in this thread...your attitude and disregard for human rights whenever it suits you disgusts me.

    We are done here.


    Good day.
    Your cowardice is showing. Speaking of soldiering, here's a soldier's view.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    1) Torture= Being humiliated in your underwear by having to form a human pyramid.

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Training= Having to go outside at 2 in the morning in your underwear and forced to PT in a sandbox for a half hour, simply because the DI wants to have some fun.



    1) Torture= Sleep Deprevation, Food Deprevation, Dogs barking at them, Koran flushed down the toilet, female soldier humiliating them

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Trainin= Food depravation, sleep depravation, 4 grown men barking at you all the time, foot locker thrown out the window, Drill Instructors humiliating you, having to scrub brush the deck with your toothbrush.



    1) Torture= Can't call a lawyer, can't contact a loved one, hate the American government, but food, shelter, and medical care are covered. Allowed to worship as they want.

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Training= Can't make phone calls home, can't have visitors, can't talk to anyone, sometimes can't go to worship service, hate the Drill Instructors, but food, shelter, and medical care are covered.



    1) Torture= Sometimes they die

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Training= Ditto
    There certainly was some tortuous elements to recruit training. Take Parris Island: recruits are not allowed to remove biting sand fleas from their bodies without suffering stiff consequences. Take San Diego: humping up what Drill Instructors call hills (but a civilian would call a mountain like The Reaper) if a recruit is slow, they get pushed/hit and if they injure a lower extremity like an ankle/foot the DI's will not let them stop and seek treatment from a Corpsmen.

    Good times, but if the public had video of the second-to-second interactions between recruit and Drill Instructor… there would be controversy. That has happened before when incidents like recruits drowning during swim qualifications or when my Kill Hat blinded a Whiskey Pig with the Whiskey Locker keys.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    1) Torture= Being humiliated in your underwear by having to form a human pyramid.

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Training= Having to go outside at 2 in the morning in your underwear and forced to PT in a sandbox for a half hour, simply because the DI wants to have some fun.



    1) Torture= Sleep Deprevation, Food Deprevation, Dogs barking at them, Koran flushed down the toilet, female soldier humiliating them

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Trainin= Food depravation, sleep depravation, 4 grown men barking at you all the time, foot locker thrown out the window, Drill Instructors humiliating you, having to scrub brush the deck with your toothbrush.



    1) Torture= Can't call a lawyer, can't contact a loved one, hate the American government, but food, shelter, and medical care are covered. Allowed to worship as they want.

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Training= Can't make phone calls home, can't have visitors, can't talk to anyone, sometimes can't go to worship service, hate the Drill Instructors, but food, shelter, and medical care are covered.



    1) Torture= Sometimes they die

    2) Marine Corps Recruit Training= Ditto
    Marine corps training=consensual (if sufficiently informed) when there is no draft and/or when one can opt out for an easier choice when drafted.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    There is a reason why obama didnt let the torture pictures make their way to public eyes. I assume its cause it depicted rape, murder and torture and would have dealt a severe blow to the war industry.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    There is a reason why obama didnt let the torture pictures make their way to public eyes. I assume its cause it depicted rape, murder and torture and would have dealt a severe blow to the war industry.
    It would have been grisly and caused a PR nightmare.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    UBL wasn't a known terrorist?
    He was a suspected terrorist.

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