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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    Actually the topic is "CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds". No one is a "known terrorist" unless and until proven to be one by a valid court. You have that a$$backwards. In either case, torturing those who are found guilty of committing crimes is not an American ideology, it is the domain of the worst kind of authoritarian governments.
    Fully agree with your last sentence.

    In light of that statement, your support of torture on suspicion of terrorism is astounding to me.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Your point is valid, but the outrage comes from the hypocrisy involved, at least as much as against the crimes themselves. The US lectures the rest of the world about human rights violations, imposes sanctions and otherwise pounds its chest, when the reality is that the US had the best organized torture system that the world has ever seen. Subjects being flown here and there in Gulfstreams is pretty damn sophisticated IMO. Broad daylight captures on the streets of Italy is pretty bold, eh?
    And the only reason why that happened was because of 9/11. The U.S. had its nose broken on that day. The prevention of another attack became paramount regardless of human rights. The American people were shocked beyond belief and if there was another attack… it would not have been good, particularly if it was revealed that our military had individuals in custody that had pertinent information and we didn't get it from them.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    "You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. . . . "
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    And the only reason why that happened was because of 9/11. The U.S. had its nose broken on that day. The prevention of another attack became paramount regardless of human rights. The American people were shocked beyond belief and if there was another attack… it would not have been good, particularly if it was revealed that our military had individuals in custody that had pertinent information and we didn't get it from them.
    Your description of what happened is accurate, but it is not a good enough excuse for many of the things we did. Our nation's anger made us act wrongly and irrationally and forget our principals. It may have felt good at the time, but it was a mistake that had negative consequences and will probably have more in the future.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Your description of what happened is accurate, but it is not a good enough excuse for many of the things we did. Our nation's anger made us act wrongly and irrationally and forget our principals. It may have felt good at the time, but it was a mistake that had negative consequences and will probably have more in the future.
    The US acted properly and effectively.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Torture always works when done for verifiable information, as opposed to confession.
    NOTHING always works.

    Torture is for the 'intellectually challenged' and/or cowards.

    If the only way America can survive is by torturing people...then let it die.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    NOTHING always works.
    Let's not presume absolutes.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Quoting a senate report isnt good enough for you?
    It doesn't say what you claim.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Your description of what happened is accurate, but it is not a good enough excuse for many of the things we did. Our nation's anger made us act wrongly and irrationally and forget our principals. It may have felt good at the time, but it was a mistake that had negative consequences and will probably have more in the future.
    Undoubtedly and similar to the repercussions the Russian government will feel as a result of their security forces' actions in Dagestan.

    The part about our principles is like this: there is a stated agenda/goal/policy/principle that everyone hears from officials and the media and then there is the real agenda/goal/policy/principle that is created in settings like the National Security Council. This should be obvious to anyone familiar with U.S. History - the actions taken differing with the rhetoric given.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    NOTHING always works.

    Torture is for the 'intellectually challenged' and/or cowards.

    If the only way America can survive is by torturing people...then let it die.
    This assertion is derived from your extensive counterterrorism experience?

    And if the US were to fail in war and cease to exist, you would like even less what would come after.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Let's not presume absolutes.
    Lol...you used the term 'always' and then you suggest not using 'absolutes'?

    Okaaaaaay.

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