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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    As a long time member of the Armed Forces, the Geneva Convention was a security blanket that I always carried when I was in/over hostile territory. We (the USA) ignored it, thus opening the door for any other hostile force to ignore it in the event that I had been captured.
    As a dreamer of dreams and a travellin' man, I have chalked up many a mile.
    Read dozens of books about heroes and crooks and I've learned much from both of their styles!

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    As a long time member of the Armed Forces, the Geneva Convention was a security blanket that I always carried when I was in/over hostile territory. We (the USA) ignored it, thus opening the door for any other hostile force to ignore it in the event that I had been captured.
    No opponent of the US has observed the Geneva Conventions since (irony of ironies) certain units of the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe in WW2. You lost nothing.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The concept of "Presumption of Innocence" is not even codified in the text of our Constitution.

    The "innocent until proven guilty " concept comes from English Jurisprudence.

    Its not even a " American concept " in the sense that we got it from English common law.

    And Finally, your'e NOT innocent until proven guilty IF you did it. Your are guilty .

    TRUE innocence until proven guilty means you couldn't be, at your arraignment, be held until your trial.
    The American system of justice adopted the common law concept of innocent until proven guilty. Without it, guilty until proven innocent would likely be the doctrine, one used by totalitarian governments. Without it, there is no such thing as due process, which BTW is part of our Constitution.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, sleep deprivation isn't torture?
    Go back and reread how I defined torture, you apparently didn't understand.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I have suggested reticence now so you won't be embarrassed later.
    Please... Don't hold back on my account.

    Many blacks were lynched on flimsy or downright conjured evidence. How many "terrorists" got the same treatment?
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Please... Don't hold back on my account.

    Many blacks were lynched on flimsy or downright conjured evidence. How many "terrorists" got the same treatment?
    I'll just wait to let all the reports come out.
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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, the topic is torturing known terrorists. All terrorists are guilty, otherwise they wouldnt be terrorists.
    Actually the topic is "CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds". No one is a "known terrorist" unless and until proven to be one by a valid court. You have that a$$backwards. In either case, torturing those who are found guilty of committing crimes is not an American ideology, it is the domain of the worst kind of authoritarian governments.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I have been a member of Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the ACLU for decades because I and the other members of those groups do not tolerate torture and we are willing to put money and effort behind our principals.
    Yeah, I know that at least two of those organizations shine light on bad things, but I was referring, specifically, to this forum/thread. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

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    Re: CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    Actually the topic is "CIA's 'Harsh Interrogations' Exceeded Legal Authority, Report Finds". No one is a "known terrorist" unless and until proven to be one by a valid court. You have that a$$backwards. In either case, torturing those who are found guilty of committing crimes is not an American ideology, it is the domain of the worst kind of authoritarian governments.
    UBL wasn't a known terrorist?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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