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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The bill is just creating transparency. It doesn't matter if it's illegal if no one is aware it's taking place.

    Honestly all salaries should be public information for all individuals. If anything it would lead to a truly fair and competitive labor market.
    Please post your salary and your name so we can verify the info. Or are there serious flaws you can recognize in your idea?
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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    But this bill isn't about industry averages, it's about the individual corporation's average. If this was designed to force employers to give raises based on industry/profession averages, then it not only goes too far, it goes WAY, WAY, WAY too far.
    It doesn't force employers to do anything. What it does is remove the veil over salaries.
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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Please post your salary and your name so we can verify the info. Or are there serious flaws you can recognize in your idea?
    So you see no difference in me as an individual posting my data and everyone's data being available?
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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Unless one decides that all employees (in any given position) are equally productive, dependable and likely to seek other employment then it makes sense for their pay to vary accordingly. Many seem to have no problem with seniority pay, which I find ridiculous, but I do not have a problem with paying differently based on actual job performance. If the salary information is to be made public then why not all personnel evaluations and attendance records?

    Paying people who perform (the same job) differently is not discriminatory but disallowing an employer to keep individual pay, performance or attendance records private is. If the only information required to be made public is salary then that would encourage lawsuits. Sometimes personnel matters are, in fact, personal. Forcing employers to disclose individual employee pay information but not the basis for it does, indeed, invite more lawsuits.
    I don't agree what you posted would happen (or, at least, that it would happen more often), but I do appreciate you at least explaining the theory behind it.
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    Please post your salary and your name so we can verify the info. Or are there serious flaws you can recognize in your idea?
    Here you go: 2012 Missouri educators' salaries : News

    I'm not going to tell you my name, for obvious reasons, but you're more than welcome to see what I earn. It's public knowledge. That link is from a couple years ago, so I make a little more now, but you are welcome to the information. Or you can come meet me in person and I'll happily tell you in person.

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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It doesn't force employers to do anything. What it does is remove the veil over salaries.
    If it creates no action, then what's the point in passing the law in the first place?? Giving people half-assed information is a bad idea. You can't give people all the information regarding pay scales at a corporate level (and aggregating beyond that is pointless) without potentially exposing confidential information. You sound like you want to be able to approach your employer and demand raise based on national averages and have the law back you up in that demand. Yet, nothing beyond the business you work for matters. If you want to go to your employer and show her that you're getting paid 35% less than the national average for your type of profession, that's between you and her, not between you, her and the gov't.
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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    You sound like you want to be able to approach your employer and demand raise based on national averages and have the law back you up in that demand. Yet, nothing beyond the business you work for matters. If you want to go to your employer and show her that you're getting paid 35% less than the national average for your type of profession, that's between you and her, not between you, her and the gov't.
    I'm not sure where you get that from! I want information in order to make informed choices. I've never mentioned once that I want the government or law to back up any demand.

    Also...you mention pay in accordance with national averages but that's all this bill provides...disclosure.
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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

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    Do you think such a bill is needed? There are equal pay statutes and the IRS has access to everyone's pay and should be able to determine if there is unequal pay based on gender or any other grouping. We have HIPAA laws to protect privacy of health records, what wrong with having privacy of pay records?

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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I don't agree what you posted would happen (or, at least, that it would happen more often), but I do appreciate you at least explaining the theory behind it.

    Here you go: 2012 Missouri educators' salaries : News

    I'm not going to tell you my name, for obvious reasons, but you're more than welcome to see what I earn. It's public knowledge. That link is from a couple years ago, so I make a little more now, but you are welcome to the information. Or you can come meet me in person and I'll happily tell you in person.
    Do you see a difference between someone working for the government ("You work for us!!"") and a employee of some privately owned company? Do you see why this law is not needed in your situation since the information is already available? Do you like the idea that anyone can know what you make and if you had a chance, would you prefer that this was private?

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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    This is just more political posturing for the upcoming election. Get that woman vote Dems., you'll need it. Give me one line of work where a woman has less pay than a man with the same exact credentials/experience...... Where I work you get paid what you are worth, seniority doesn't enter the equation. This is just more BS from DC.

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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Do you see a difference between someone working for the government ("You work for us!!"") and a employee of some privately owned company?
    Not really. Oh, I get the argument you're trying to present, but I don't agree my working to educate your children means I should have less privacy than you. Or I guess it would be more appropriate to say I don't see why working in the private sector should afford you more privacy than me.

    And let's be honest, I don't work for you. I work for my employer. My employer is the school district.

    Do you see why this law is not needed in your situation since the information is already available?
    I do, but I think you're missing the point here. The post I was responding to was a challenge to "put your money where your mouth is", so to speak. If you're advocating for a law, then be willing to be subject to it. All I'm showing is that I'm happily subject to the idea.

    Do you like the idea that anyone can know what you make and if you had a chance, would you prefer that this was private?
    At first it bothered me, but then I realized it's not that big of a deal. So what if you can see how much I make? Why does it matter? Why should I care?
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