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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

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    that is what labor and ED lawyers refer to as "similarly situated employees"
    i fail to see why people hate lawyers so much.
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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    a woman should not suffer lower pay just because she had to go through pregnancy.
    you mean she should be paid as much as the guy who actually was at the work place working while she was home. Or who know has say six more months of seniority or put in 500 more billable hours than she did?



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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    a woman should not suffer lower pay just because she had to go through pregnancy.
    Ok, so I have a question regarding this.

    Man A works 3 years and Woman A works for 3 years. Woman A goes on pregnancy leave for 1 month (assuming she leaves work at around 8 months in her pregnancy). Do you think Woman A and Man A are exactly equal at that point?

    I agree that women shouldn't be hired at LOWER pay ASSUMING they might get pregnant, but once the pregnancy happens then their time at actual work SHOULD be taken into consideration.

    At the same time I will concede that some jobs offer teleworker capabilities which in that case a woman and a man are no different regardless of pregnancy.

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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you mean she should be paid as much as the guy who actually was at the work place working while she was home. Or who know has say six more months of seniority or put in 500 more billable hours than she did?
    Depends on pregnancy and the job. As I pointed out in my previous post if a job offers teleworker capabilities, even with pregnancy, the woman can still be working the same as a man. Remember, sick time can be accrued, paid time off can be used as well if they have enough time. A pregnancy alone shouldn't be justification for lower pay.

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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It's already illegal to discriminate in pay based on sex.
    I understand this, but my understanding of this bill isn't outlawing pay discrimination, it's preventing employers from dismissing employees for discussing their pay and requiring public knowledge of pay.

    So how does this bill give people more ability to sue, if pay practices are not discriminatory?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL and being paid less due to your gender when you do the same work is gender DISCRIMINATION

    try a few dozen Title VII cases as I have, and then I will listen to you tell me about a subject I was a recognized expert in
    Could you explain how this bill screws over employers, as you claimed?

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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I understand this, but my understanding of this bill isn't outlawing pay discrimination, it's preventing employers from dismissing employees for discussing their pay and requiring public knowledge of pay.

    So how does this bill give people more ability to sue, if pay practices are not discriminatory?

    Could you explain how this bill screws over employers, as you claimed?
    1) the government doesn't have the proper power to prevent businesses from firing those who discuss salary

    2) why does every pro business legislator oppose it while all the anti business legislators support it?



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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) the government doesn't have the proper power to prevent businesses from firing those who discuss salary

    2) why does every pro business legislator oppose it while all the anti business legislators support it?
    You're not answering my question. It's a simple question that I'll ask again.

    Could you explain how this bill screws over employers, as you claimed?

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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

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    Have idea why they really blocked it, or are you going to stick with, "Conservatives are all racists/sexists/homophobes
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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I understand this, but my understanding of this bill isn't outlawing pay discrimination, it's preventing employers from dismissing employees for discussing their pay and requiring public knowledge of pay.

    So how does this bill give people more ability to sue, if pay practices are not discriminatory?

    Could you explain how this bill screws over employers, as you claimed?
    Unless one decides that all employees (in any given position) are equally productive, dependable and likely to seek other employment then it makes sense for their pay to vary accordingly. Many seem to have no problem with seniority pay, which I find ridiculous, but I do not have a problem with paying differently based on actual job performance. If the salary information is to be made public then why not all personnel evaluations and attendance records?

    Paying people who perform (the same job) differently is not discriminatory but disallowing an employer to keep individual pay, performance or attendance records private is. If the only information required to be made public is salary then that would encourage lawsuits. Sometimes personnel matters are, in fact, personal. Forcing employers to disclose individual employee pay information but not the basis for it does, indeed, invite more lawsuits.
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    Re: Senate Republicans Block Paycheck Fairness Act For Third Time

    Any bill with the name fairness in it is a circle jerk. Fairness is subjective. If you take working men and women as a whole and try to say men make more and that's unfair, it's in reality nonsense. Men work in the most dangerous occupations, ones that are physical like coal mining, lumberjacking and oil drilling. Their mortality is much higher than women in the workplace. Where women and men work in jobs that aren't affected by gender like sales, clerical, administrative and management equal pay is just common sense because businesses strive to find the best employees regardless of gender.

    This is a false issue in an election year brought forth by an administration that pays men more than women in similar positions. The administration is using statistics that don't accurately reflect workplace conditions. It's a tactic that this administration is using to take the voters eye off the ball when the real issue is the harm Obamacare is doing to the economy and lives of citizens who live in it.
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