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Married ‘Christian conservative’ congressman caught making out with staffer

TheNextEra said:
Sure you haven't. :roll:

Saying they shouldn't be called out on it is defending his actions.
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Hmmm ...

I've never liked that argument. I, for one, don't feel that lack of condemnation = tacit approval.
 
Kobie said:
Hmmm ...

I've never liked that argument. I, for one, don't feel that lack of condemnation = tacit approval.
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That wasn't what I was talking about. Saying they SHOULDN'T be called out on something is approval. It's one thing to not call someone out on something, but to say they SHOULDN'T be called out on it is another which is what Chez said.
 
TheNextEra said:
That wasn't what I was talking about. Saying they SHOULDN'T be called out on something is approval. It's one thing to not call someone out on something, but to say they SHOULDN'T be called out on it is another which is what Chez said.
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Ah, I gotcha. My mistake.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Its the hypocrisy. Its like Al Gore having a 30k a month electric bill. Its the hypocrisy of it all. Everyone hates a hypocrite and as to your "no one is defending him".... Well being its Louisiana, I doubt this will hurt his political future at all. After all, the Republican "Family Values" Senator from LA, David Vitter was a client of the DC Madam and had a diaper fetish and the guy has since been reelected.

As to this whole liberals have lower standards, I would bet a paycheck that conservatives do not have lower divorce rates than liberals. The difference is that these social conservatives go out and run on a whole platform of "Christian Values", "Family Values", "Protect the Sanctity of Marriage" all the while sleeping with a staffer or cruising parks and rest stops.
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I was just going to use that example.

It , clearly and emphatically was not just about the make out session. It was the hypocrisy of someone running on Christian values going directly against those values.
 
votemout said:
Every one knows to get to that position of office you never tell the truth. ask obama he will tell you
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Tell you what? If they never tell the truth, what if he says he's lying?
 
Kobie said:
As per usual, someone's gotta try to make it All About Obama.
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We had eight years of it being all about Bush. So it's someone else's turn, with three more years to go.
 
Ahlevah said:
We had eight years of it being all about Bush. So it's someone else's turn, with three more years to go.
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Nonsense. I don't recall Bush getting dragged into the mix during, say, the Larry Craig scandal, do you?
 
Ahlevah said:
Yeah.

Martin Lewis: Bush Welcomes Senator "Lewd Larry" Craig!
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Good find! The one HuffPo columnist who dredged up a five-year-old quote after Craig got busted shouldn't have. You see how stupid that was? Bush says hello to Larry Craig in 2002; after Craig gets nailed doing his wide stance, some idiot throws it at Bush a half-decade later. Completely pointless and lacking in both class and material value.

So your argument is, "you did it first." Well, the fifth-grade playground called, it wants its excuse back.
 
Kobie said:
So your argument is, "you did it first." Well, the fifth-grade playground called, it wants its excuse back.
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That and "We need to do it better--as in spades."
 
Ahlevah said:
That and "We need to do it better--as in spades."
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Congratulations, then, you're contributing to the sewer-level political discourse we see today.
 
Kobie said:
Good find! The one HuffPo columnist who dredged up a five-year-old quote after Craig got busted shouldn't have. You see how stupid that was? Bush says hello to Larry Craig in 2002; after Craig gets nailed doing his wide stance, some idiot throws it at Bush a half-decade later. Completely pointless and lacking in both class and material value.

So your argument is, "you did it first." Well, the fifth-grade playground called, it wants its excuse back.
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In all honesty, Lewis is a humorist, so I give him some latitude for that. But I don't think anyone got the daily dose of vitriol Bush did. By comparison, Obama gets a pass from much of the traditional media, both in the U.S. and abroad.
 
Ahlevah said:
In all honesty, Lewis is a humorist, so I give him some latitude for that. But I don't think anyone got the daily dose of vitriol Bush did. By comparison, Obama gets a pass from much of the traditional media, both in the U.S. and abroad.
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Perspective is key, I suppose. I think the "traditional media" kept way too many cockamamie things about Obama around (birtherism, for example) way longer than they ever merited.
 
Kobie said:
Congratulations, then, you're contributing to the sewer-level political discourse we see today.
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Name a point in time when political discourse wasn't in the sewer. Politics is sewage.
 
Kobie said:
Perspective is key, I suppose. I think the "traditional media" kept way too many cockamamie things about Obama around (birtherism, for example) way longer than they ever merited.
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The press spent more time focusing on The Donald and Sarah Palin than they did questioning why he refused for so long to release his long-form birth certificate. They pretty much just said, "Trump is wacko because Obama's already released his birth certificate." Only after Trump kept hammering the issue home did Obama and his Chicago Boys feel enough pressure to actually release it. The *****footing, more than anything, fed the continued doubt. Just admit it: the press is enthralled with Obama but hated Bush.

PS: Why is Eric Holder still the Attorney General?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
BTW, this married staffer he was carrying on with is the wife of his friend since childhood. Its one thing to have an affair, its another to have an affair with your life long friend's wife. More so while you sell yourself as a family values, Christian, socially conservative congressman.
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I think the big issue here is the employer-employee relationship. Carrying on with the wife of a friend may be repugnant to many but it is hard to understand why as public policy anyone would care. However, when an employer hits on a subordinate there is a power relationship that can't be overlooked. For ease of writing, I will use male boss-female employee language. The woman may go along with the approach out of fear of losing her job or promotion (even though unstated), she may go along with it in hope of getting an undeserved raise. The potential victims are co-workers who lose out on potential promotions as well as the woman herself. The French have it right when they consider any employer-employee adult consensual sexual relations as felony rape. Not sure how many ever are prosecuted but that is the law. Applied to maids and household staff or contract labor as well.
When Bill Clinton got a pass and the myth of Lewinski and others being a "private matter" it set back this type of stuff years, to pre-Clarence Thomas age.
 
Kobie said:
Perspective is key, I suppose. I think the "traditional media" kept way too many cockamamie things about Obama around (birtherism, for example) way longer than they ever merited.
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I got the impression that most of the media's attention on birthers concerned the stupidity of the issue. I would have preferred that the press gave the issue no coverage. Ironic that the basis for the issue was Obama's own mythology in a story from the 70's. At the time, he thought that his personal story sounded better when he was a Kenyan.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Are there any conservatives who are defending Mr. McCallister, and saying that there is nothing wrong with this conduct?

I do not think anyone claims that all conservatives are perfect. We certainly stand for much higher moral standards than liberals do, and yes, sometimes, someone among us falls short of these standards. If this is what it is being made out (no pun intended) to be, then I will join in with any liberals in condemning both Mr. McCallister and Mrs. Peacock for their inappropriate behavior and their violation of their marital responsibilities.

Other than that…

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Ahhh conservatives :lol:. I have to admire how you guys can turn a black eye into a parade in which you all congratulate yourselves on being superior.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
In all seriousness though, its not like Democrats don't have their share of sex scandals. The difference is the shear hypocrisy of the religious right / social conservative types when they get caught having one.
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The left dismissed the Monica Lewinsky scandal as no big deal because "what Clinton did in private was nobody's business but his and his family's." Apparently, when their guy (who happens to be President of the United States) is giving blow jobs in the Oval Office to an intern and lying about it to a federal grand jury it's a private matter, but when a Republican congressman kisses an aide, it's fodder for the press. So make sure before you throw stones....
 
year2late said:
I was just going to use that example.

It , clearly and emphatically was not just about the make out session. It was the hypocrisy of someone running on Christian values going directly against those values.
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Why is hypocrisy somehow worse than the action of a person when the action results in the same effect whether or not a person is hypocritical? Does it make a difference to a murder victim or the victim of theft if the murderer or thief is or is not hypocritical?

Have we really set the bar that low in what we expect of our elected leaders? So long as they aren't hypocrites, anything goes? It's okay to cheat on your wife so long as you aren't hypocritical about it? Never mind that the one who cheats on his wife might be expected to cheat on other things as well and that's okay so long as he isn't hypocritical about it?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Why is hypocrisy somehow worse than the action of a person when the action results in the same effect whether or not a person is hypocritical? Does it make a difference to a murder victim or the victim of theft if the murderer or thief is or is not hypocritical?

Have we really set the bar that low in what we expect of our elected leaders? So long as they aren't hypocrites, anything goes? It's okay to cheat on your wife so long as you aren't hypocritical about it? Never mind that the one who cheats on his wife might be expected to cheat on other things as well and that's okay so long as he isn't hypocritical about it?
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Of course it is worse to have someone who is unwilling to stand by standards apply them to others.

Do you have kids? They will peg you on it (and usually rightfully so)
 
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