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Married ‘Christian conservative’ congressman caught making out with staffer

year2late said:
Of course it is worse to have someone who is unwilling to stand by standards apply them to others.

Do you have kids? They will peg you on it (and usually rightfully so)
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I am not condoning hypocrisy. I am only objecting to hypocrisy being the gauge of whether something is tolerable in our elected leaders or not. Hypocrisy is never commendable, but neither does it have material affect on anybody or anything. Expecting our elected leaders to not be hypocritical is way down on what should be the criteria by which they are evaluated.
 
AlbqOwl said:
I am not condoning hypocrisy. I am only objecting to hypocrisy being the gauge of whether something is tolerable in our elected leaders or not. Hypocrisy is never commendable, but neither does it have material affect on anybody or anything. Expecting our elected leaders to not be hypocritical is way down on what should be the criteria by which they are evaluated.
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My reaction to the video: Get a room, preferably one with no cameras.:twocents: Seriously though, this is poor behavior for any person, elected official or not, although the fact that he put himself on a pedestal to run on using "Christian and Family values" really make my blood boil. The hypocrisy of his actions is appalling.:damn
 
AlbqOwl said:
Why is hypocrisy somehow worse than the action of a person when the action results in the same effect whether or not a person is hypocritical?
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In your words:

AlbqOwl said:
The issue here is not simply [...] hypocrisy; it's a question of credibility. If he genuinely believes [...] why hasn't he made any radical change in his life?
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The issue, as you so eloquently put it - is that this person isn't living by the standards he sets for everyone else. So why should those standards be followed? ;)
 
pbrauer said:
The party of family values strikes again... Caught on surveillance camera

Married ‘Christian conservative’ congressman caught making out with staffer | Death and Taxes

Louisiana Rep. Vance McCallister (R-Your Pants)–who is married with five children, ran for office as a “Christian conservative,” and was heavily supported and promoted by the cast of “Duck Dynasty”–has been caught on video getting frisky with also-married staffer Melissa Anne Hixon Peacock, who worked as his district scheduler.

Yep. Mrs. Peacock in the office with McCallister’s tongue–we do not know at this time if a candlestick or rope were involved.

The footage–which takes place in McCallister’s office–was obtained through unknown means by the Ouachita Citizen. The incident occurred on Dec. 23rd, two days before the celebration of the birth of his lord and savior, Jesus H. Christ. Before we take a look at that, though, let’s meet McCallister.

Oh look! There he is, being all family man like and bragging about his fabulous morality and religiosity! Oh, how McCallister wishes that the liberal scum in Washington cared about faith and family as much as he does. One can only assume he never got a chance to meet Anthony Weiner.​



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Dang! He fell off of the Christian potato wagon didn't he? :lamo
 
year2late said:
Of course it is worse to have someone who is unwilling to stand by standards apply them to others.
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I wish I had a dollar for every time I read something to the following effect: "You don't need religion to be moral; someone who is nonreligious can be just as moral as someone who is." Assuming two people adhere to the same moral standard, why is person "A" (a religious person who thinks it's immoral to cheat on your spouse") a greater hypocrite than person "B" (a non-religious person who thinks it's immoral to cheat on your spouse) when they both violate their own moral standard? Does the mere act of keeping your mouth shut mean you can violate your own standard of morality and not be a hypocrite? Are there degrees of hypocrisy, so that if you're not religious we'll just accept that your moral standard is lower than that of the religious guy?
 
Ahlevah said:
I wish I had a dollar for every time I read something to the following effect: "You don't need religion to be moral; someone who is nonreligious can be just as moral as someone who is." Assuming two people adhere to the same moral standard, why is person "A" (a religious person who thinks it's immoral to cheat on your spouse") a greater hypocrite than person "B" (a non-religious person who thinks it's immoral to cheat on your spouse) when they both violate their own moral standard? Does the mere act of keeping your mouth shut mean you can violate your own standard of morality and not be a hypocrite? Are there degrees of hypocrisy, so that if you're not religious we'll just accept that your moral standard is lower than that of the religious guy?
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Spin it anyway you want, it is just downright hypocritical to label yourself as one thing - in the course of an election no less....and then go against those standards in a big way.

But maybe it was just a misunderstanding "oh, I thought you said I needed to stay erected....now elected...that is something different.";)
 
Hatuey said:
In your words:



The issue, as you so eloquently put it - is that this person isn't living by the standards he sets for everyone else. So why should those standards be followed? ;)
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The first quotation is mine.

The second is not and I will request that you amend your post to attribute those remarks to whomever made them.
 
Democrat152 said:
My reaction to the video: Get a room, preferably one with no cameras.:twocents: Seriously though, this is poor behavior for any person, elected official or not, although the fact that he put himself on a pedestal to run on using "Christian and Family values" really make my blood boil. The hypocrisy of his actions is appalling.:damn
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But again why does hypocrisy make it worse? Annoying yes. Irritating yes. Affects how we judge a person's moral center, yes.

But the effect of an action is the same regardless of whether we are hypocritical about it or not. Yes?
 
AlbqOwl said:
The first quotation is mine.

The second is not and I will request that you amend your post to attribute those remarks to whomever made them.
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You sure?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/11315-gore-movie-rebuttle-27.html#post365690

The issue here is not simply Gore's hypocrisy; it's a question of credibility. If he genuinely believes the apocalyptic vision he has put forth and calls for radical changes in the way other people live, why hasn't he made any radical change in his life? Giving up the zinc mine or one of his homes is not asking much, given that he wants the rest of us to radically change our lives.

Peter Schweizer is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution and author of Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy.
USA TODAY: Latest World and US News - USATODAY.com

(Disclaimer: I don't pretend to claim that Schweizer is an unbiased source. But I will say you'll be very hard put to discredit the claims he makes her
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What? You POSTED an article that explained your position on Gore and his hypocrisy! I will not remove your explanation for why you don't like hypocrites.
 
Hatuey said:
You sure?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/11315-gore-movie-rebuttle-27.html#post365690

What? You POSTED an article that explained your position on Gore and his hypocrisy! I will not remove your explanation for why you don't like hypocrites.
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Okay, I did post that. Sorry. It was Schweizer's words, however, and not mine which is why I did not recognize them as something I said. But even Schweizer was looking past the hypocrisy to the greater principle involved which is my whole point. Hypocrisy is criticizable on its own merit, but it has nothing to do with the material effect that the actions of the hypocrite has on others.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Okay, I did post that. Sorry. It was Schweizer's words, however, and not mine which is why I did not recognize them as something I said. But even Schweizer was looking past the hypocrisy to the greater principle involved which is my whole point. Hypocrisy is criticizable on its own merit, but it has nothing to do with the material effect that the actions of the hypocrite has on others.
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That is what Liberals are doing to Conservatives in this case. Libs are making Cons recognize that they have given themselves impossible standards of morality that many of the right wing leaders can't live by. If Conservative representatives can't live up to the unreachable morality they preach, why should the rest of us? It's far easier to live by a simple code composed of letting people do as they wish as long as nobody is harmed. Conservatives have taken that to mean that as long as their beliefs aren't questioned and imposed on the rest of society, people can do as they wish. Their train of mind of course is a giant fallacy because we can't be free and at the same time prisoners of a government full of Judeo-Christian situational moralists without a standard for judgement.
 
Hatuey said:
That is what Liberals are doing to Conservatives in this case. Libs are making Cons recognize that they have given themselves impossible standards of morality that many of the right wing leaders can't live by. If Conservative representatives can't live up to the unreachable morality they preach, why should the rest of us? It's far easier to live by a simple code composed of letting people do as they wish as long as nobody is harmed. Conservatives have taken that to mean that as long as their beliefs aren't questioned and imposed on the rest of society, people can do as they wish. Their train of mind of course is a giant fallacy because we can't be free and at the same time prisoners of a government full of Judeo-Christian situational moralists without a standard for judgement.
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Your opinion is noted. Because it is so non sequitur to anything I said, I won't respond at this time. Thanks.
 
So?

That's between him, the staffer and his family...no one else's business.

I would not hesitate for one second to vote for this guy - assuming he was the candidate closest to my positions on the issues.

He could have 100 mistresses...none of my business...or the voters.
 
AlbqOwl said:
Your opinion is noted. Because it is so non sequitur to anything I said, I won't respond at this time. Thanks.
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It's not that hard to understand.

Conservatives set themselves a higher level of morality.
Conservatives fall very short of that standard.
Conservatives still want everyone else to follow that standard.
Conservatives fail to lead by example.

Solution:

Conservatives embrace a new level of morality that is flexible enough for everyone to live by and obey or....
Conservatives stop trying to make others follow Conservative standards and focus on their immoral masses...
 
Hatuey said:
It's not that hard to understand.

Conservatives set themselves a higher level of morality.
Conservatives fall very short of that standard.
Conservatives still want everyone else to follow that standard.
Conservatives fail to lead by example.

Solution:

Conservatives embrace a new level of morality that is flexible enough for everyone to live by and obey or....
Conservatives stop trying to make others follow Conservative standards and focus on their immoral masses...
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Please refer to my previous post and repeat it here. Thanks.
 
Hatuey said:
It's not that hard to understand.

Conservatives set themselves a higher level of morality.
Conservatives fall very short of that standard.
Conservatives still want everyone else to follow that standard.
Conservatives fail to lead by example.

Solution:

Conservatives embrace a new level of morality that is flexible enough for everyone to live by and obey or....
Conservatives stop trying to make others follow Conservative standards and focus on their immoral masses...
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Not to say that anyone is perfect, but you greatly exaggerate (intentionally, I think) how far conservatives tend to fall short of their stated values.

In any event, I would rather follow someone who sets high standards, and perhaps falls a little short of them from time to time, than follow someone with very low standards.

If you set your standards so low that everyone can meet them without effort, then you've really set no standards at all.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Not to say that anyone is perfect, but you greatly exaggerate (intentionally, I think) how far conservatives tend to fall short of their stated values.

In any event, I would rather follow someone who sets high standards, and perhaps falls a little short of them from time to time, than follow someone with very low standards.

If you set your standards so low that everyone can meet them without effort, then you've really set no standards at all.
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You're being an apologist, now. Conservative leaders (both ideological and political) don't just fall short of their crafted-for-the-podium talking points. They completely violate them at times. Gay page scandals, mistresses, drug use as well as bribe taking and that's just the so-so stuff. Their religious leaders have gay sex scandals, prostitution scandals and occasionally mix those up with some sort of drug abuse case. Your leaders have - for years - lived by the moral code of of "Do as I say, not as I do." and now here you are like a good little foot soldier trying to enforce the unenforceable, excusing the indiscretions of your leaders and, reducing their violations of your moral codes as simply "being a little off". Meanwhile, the rest of us, are simply low on standards - instead of: better at understanding just what standards would benefit a society far more than the hypocritical black and white world you live in.
 
year2late said:
Spin it anyway you want, it is just downright hypocritical to label yourself as one thing - in the course of an election no less....and then go against those standards in a big way
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No spin here. I'm not saying the guy isn't a hypocrite. I'm just asking why some people seem to think religious people have cornered the market on hypocrisy. Is it because they're the only people who have moral standards, or is there another reason? How do non-religious people label themselves, or how should they be labeled if they're to have a pass on morality? Immoral? Amoral? Anal? What? :confused:
 
Ahlevah said:
No spin here. I'm not saying the guy isn't a hypocrite. I'm just asking why some people seem to think religious people have cornered the market on hypocrisy. Is it because they're the only people who have moral standards, or is there another reason? How do non-religious people label themselves, or how should they be labeled if they're to have a pass on morality? Immoral? Amoral? Anal? What? :confused:
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I think hypocrisy tends to be more jarring with religious conservatives, simply because when they do fail on a personal level, it's such a marked departure from what they preach.
 
ChezC3 said:
:lamo

that's always been a problem for libs, confuse instruction for criticism or judgement, and just don't like that word "No!"
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First of all, I am a Christian before I am a liberal. I get so frustrated with many of my Christian brothers and sisters on the right who have this self righteous attitude towards others. It makes us all look like hypocrites. If all of us open that closet a little wider to the public, it will reveal that we are as flawed as any other individual.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Not to say that anyone is perfect, but you greatly exaggerate (intentionally, I think) how far conservatives tend to fall short of their stated values.

In any event, I would rather follow someone who sets high standards, and perhaps falls a little short of them from time to time, than follow someone with very low standards.

If you set your standards so low that everyone can meet them without effort, then you've really set no standards at all.
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NO !!!

It is okay to set a bar to reach, but you can't go around talking down to others while you breaking that code yourself. Some of the greatest ministers I know preach to others by also expressing that they struggle as well and they understand how hard it is to live right.
 
How come its never news when family values Democrats do the same things? Does everyone just assume their lying? And are used it, so they dont care? Clinton cheats on his wife, Dems love him. Edwards had a love child, i dont remember anyone caring other than sensationalism.
 
Hatuey said:
It's not that hard to understand.

Conservatives set themselves a higher level of morality.
Conservatives fall very short of that standard.
Conservatives still want everyone else to follow that standard.
Conservatives fail to lead by example.

Solution:

Conservatives embrace a new level of morality that is flexible enough for everyone to live by and obey or....
Conservatives stop trying to make others follow Conservative standards and focus on their immoral masses...
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I'm a conservative. I never set myself to a higher level of morality nor has any conservative I know. It's all about taking care of yourself and keeping government to a minimum.
 
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