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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    On one hand you want equality for gays and on the other you want some kind of special treatment. No wonder you're always outraged. There's no way to reconcile those two things so you're never going to get what you want.

    Sorry, but welcome to the world that the rest of us live in where you're no more important than the guy next to you.
    I despise "hate crime" laws, but you might want to save that equality argument for when gay folks really are treated the same as the rest of us.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    OK..I saw this coming a mile away.

    Would it be worse if she beat the kid to death for being noisy?
    Would it be worse if she beat the kid to death because she thought he was possessed by the devil?
    Would it be worse if she beat the kid to death because she hates Mondays?
    Would it be worse if she beat the kid to death for spilling milk?
    Would it be worse if she beat the kid to death for being left handed?

    What makes "because she thought he was gay" any worse than that stuff? What the hell makes "gay" more important than any of that other stuff? Y'all keep trying to elevate "gay" to a position in society that's requires special treatment and a higher level of outrage when that treatment isn't given.

    I'm sick of it.

    On one hand you want equality for gays and on the other you want some kind of special treatment. No wonder you're always outraged. There's no way to reconcile those two things so you're never going to get what you want.

    Sorry, but welcome to the world that the rest of us live in where you're no more important than the guy next to you.
    Look, believe it or not, I actually get what you're saying: there's always going to be some crappy motive for committing a horrible crime. I get it. But I don't see how you can deny that the motive just adds to the breadth of the crime.

    Look at it like this. Someone hijacks a plane and crashes it in to a city, killing 3000 people. Someone hijacks a plane and crashes it in to a city, killing 3000 people....for Allah. Are you really going to tell me that that qualifier didn't make it worse?

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Look, believe it or not, I actually get what you're saying: there's always going to be some crappy motive for committing a horrible crime. I get it. But I don't see how you can deny that the motive just adds to the breadth of the crime.

    Look at it like this. Someone hijacks a plane and crashes it in to a city, killing 3000 people. Someone hijacks a plane and crashes it in to a city, killing 3000 people....for Allah. Are you really going to tell me that that qualifier didn't make it worse?
    No, it didn't make it worse.

    If it was an act of a maniac then we respond one way. If it was the act of an organized group trying to inflict harm on us we react a different way.

    While there may be some people out there that dislike - or even hate - gays there isn't some massive conspiracy to kill them all off or enslave them or anything else.

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    No, it didn't make it worse.

    If it was an act of a maniac then we respond one way. If it was the act of an organized group trying to inflict harm on us we react a different way.
    Can you see how this statement actually supports my position? If you have an isolated incident it's a tragedy, if you have a motive then it could feasibly be an ongoing threat (though I hope that mothers killing their children over being gays would be a very low repeating occurrence). If somebody crashes a plane into a populated area because he's sick in the head, as awful as that is it's a one time deal. But add to that a delusional motivation and you have repeating occurrences of one degree or another. See?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    While there may be some people out there that dislike - or even hate - gays there isn't some massive conspiracy to kill them all off or enslave them or anything else.
    Repression can take many forms and levels. It doesn't require the extreme of murder and enslavement to live up to the standard of repression.

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Do I look like your personal librarian? There are stories on the internet and identical murders happened when only newspaper were around to record these events. In the amount of time it took you to type your demand of me you could have typed "microwaved baby" into google and had articles to read.
    no you made a claim so I am asking for proof....you make a claim it is up to you to prove it. You see I know there have been about 3 reports of this happening. You made it sound like an epidemic.

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Can you see how this statement actually supports my position? If you have an isolated incident it's a tragedy, if you have a motive then it could feasibly be an ongoing threat (though I hope that mothers killing their children over being gays would be a very low repeating occurrence). If somebody crashes a plane into a populated area because he's sick in the head, as awful as that is it's a one time deal. But add to that a delusional motivation and you have repeating occurrences of one degree or another. See?



    Repression can take many forms and levels. It doesn't require the extreme of murder and enslavement to live up to the standard of repression.
    In one case we have an organized act or acts of aggression against the population in the other we have a nut who popped a gasket. There's a big difference.

    With regard to repression....give me a break. The kind of repression you're talking about happens all the time in many different ways to many different people. Some choose to act differently to poor people, some to rich people, some to blondes, some to readheads, some to one kind of dress or another. It's not 'repression'. It's life.

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    In one case we have an organized act or acts of aggression against the population in the other we have a nut who popped a gasket. There's a big difference.
    But...that's my point. The motive makes the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    With regard to repression....give me a break. The kind of repression you're talking about happens all the time in many different ways to many different people. Some choose to act differently to poor people, some to rich people, some to blondes, some to readheads, some to one kind of dress or another. It's not 'repression'. It's life.
    None of your examples are condoned (let alone enforced) by actual law. It is the state enforcing that repression that lends credulity and muscle to it, and thus making it particularly insidious.

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    But...that's my point. The motive makes the difference.



    None of your examples are condoned (let alone enforced) by actual law. It is the state enforcing that repression that lends credulity and muscle to it, and thus making it particularly insidious.
    Screwballs don't have a motive. They might have a trigger but that's a whole lot different than a motive.

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Screwballs don't have a motive.
    Why are you steering the debate away from the fact that her motive made it worse?

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Why are you steering the debate away from the fact that her motive made it worse?
    Are you aware that she regularly beat her other kids too? This woman was simply an abusive person. She didn't have a motive for what she did. All she did was make up reasons for the beatings.

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