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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

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    Part of the issue is that she felt that might be a good enough excuse......where would she get that idea.
    It's no different than the parents who who do it because their child wet the bed, or spilled a drink, or crtimgt or any other reason. A parent beating a child to death is that.

    Some people seem focused on anything that has anything to do with gay. The fact that that is the reason she decided to use doesn't make this any different than any other parent who's done it. It's not more wrong. Her kid is not extra dead, he wasn't more abused than these other kids, it's not different. This woman could have done the same thing because he was acting too straight and it wouldn't change anything.

    The gay aspect of this probably hurts this more than anything else because it is taking the focus away from child abuse and focusing it on something far less important.
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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Really? Because it seems some here are more interested in making it a gay rights issue rather than what it is. A horrible instance of child abuse.
    No, not gay rights. Everybody who has been born (just to make sure the anti-abortion gang does not get sucked into this) has the right to life. This kids right to life has been taken from him and there is nothing worse normally except for the reason he has been killed, anti-gay hatred. That is what this thread was about, not about gay rights but about a young life that has ended and hatred of gays being the reason for his murder. Not only is this child murder, one of the most (if not the most) heinous crimes in the world but on top if this it is a hate crime too. How twisted do you have to be to kill a 4 year old child out of hate of what this idiot mother and partner thought this kid was.

    Sure gays have to have rights but this was not about gay rights but my outrage at the hate crime that lies beneath this murder of an innocent child, a perceived gayness of that child. I am sorry but that still boggles the mind.
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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, not gay rights. Everybody who has been born (just to make sure the anti-abortion gang does not get sucked into this) has the right to life. This kids right to life has been taken from him and there is nothing worse normally except for the reason he has been killed, anti-gay hatred. That is what this thread was about, not about gay rights but about a young life that has ended and hatred of gays being the reason for his murder. Not only is this child murder, one of the most (if not the most) heinous crimes in the world but on top if this it is a hate crime too. How twisted do you have to be to kill a 4 year old child out of hate of what this idiot mother and partner thought this kid was.

    Sure gays have to have rights but this was not about gay rights but my outrage at the hate crime that lies beneath this murder of an innocent child, a perceived gayness of that child. I am sorry but that still boggles the mind.
    No matter how you spin it, you're still suggesting that this crime wouldn't be as bad had the kid been killed for any other reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No matter how you spin it, you're still suggesting that this crime wouldn't be as bad had the kid been killed for any other reason.
    You call it spin, I call it outrage at such a senseless act of hatred. And you are misrepresenting what I am saying. I am not saying that this crime wouldn't be as bad if the kid had been killed for another reason. There is no reason or justification for a killing a child (as I have stated before) but this killing seems extra incomprehensible to me. Not worse than other child murders but extra incomprehensible to me. It would also not have been less bad if he had been killed for any other reason but again, sometimes you can comprehend why a crime took place. But can you honestly understand someone getting so angry at their 4 year old child's supposed gay walking and talking that you wanted to kill them? What is walking and talking gay? Did he want to play with dolls instead of cars? I just cannot understand why someone would see the behavior of a 4 year old as walking and talking gay.

    I am not grading how bad the killing to a child is compared to another killing of a child but the fact that I cannot comprehend the reasons why anyone would think a child of 4 walks and talks gay.
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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You call it spin, I call it outrage at such a senseless act of hatred. And you are misrepresenting what I am saying. I am not saying that this crime wouldn't be as bad if the kid had been killed for another reason. There is no reason or justification for a killing a child (as I have stated before) but this killing seems extra incomprehensible to me. Not worse than other child murders but extra incomprehensible to me. It would also not have been less bad if he had been killed for any other reason but again, sometimes you can comprehend why a crime took place. But can you honestly understand someone getting so angry at their 4 year old child's supposed gay walking and talking that you wanted to kill them? What is walking and talking gay? Did he want to play with dolls instead of cars? I just cannot understand why someone would see the behavior of a 4 year old as walking and talking gay.

    I am not grading how bad the killing to a child is compared to another killing of a child but the fact that I cannot comprehend the reasons why anyone would think a child of 4 walks and talks gay.
    See? You keep placing a higher value on this kids murder. "Extra incomprehensible"? You're suggesting that had the kid been killed for any other motivation, it would have been LESS incomprehensible.
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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    This debate is weird.

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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, not gay rights. Everybody who has been born (just to make sure the anti-abortion gang does not get sucked into this) has the right to life. This kids right to life has been taken from him and there is nothing worse normally except for the reason he has been killed, anti-gay hatred. That is what this thread was about, not about gay rights but about a young life that has ended and hatred of gays being the reason for his murder. Not only is this child murder, one of the most (if not the most) heinous crimes in the world but on top if this it is a hate crime too. How twisted do you have to be to kill a 4 year old child out of hate of what this idiot mother and partner thought this kid was.

    Sure gays have to have rights but this was not about gay rights but my outrage at the hate crime that lies beneath this murder of an innocent child, a perceived gayness of that child. I am sorry but that still boggles the mind.
    This thread is about the murder of a child. Not about "anti-gay hatred". While I'm not a big fan of hatred in any form, to say that that is worse than the murder of a child is nonsense. As has been pointed out in this thread, "anti-gay hatred" was an excuse. If not that, it would have been something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You are mistaking the riverbed for the river. Mental illness is the underlying condition through which the thoughts flow, not the other way around. If this woman is mentally ill (and I'm sure she is), nobody's homophobia was the cause of anything.
    A mother who kills her 4-year old is mentally ill. Whatever the deluded, confused rationale, a mother who can do this is sick (and, obviously, a danger to others and herself).

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    See? You keep placing a higher value on this kids murder. "Extra incomprehensible"? You're suggesting that had the kid been killed for any other motivation, it would have been LESS incomprehensible.
    I am sorry if you insist on understanding it the wrong way but I have explained as best I could. I am talking about not being able to comprehend this case in any way shape or form, because it to me is totally incomprehensible at even the furthest stretch of the imagination that someone would kill a child for this reason. That is all I am trying to say.

    If you see that as putting a different value on it then so be it, not my problem. I know I am not putting a higher value on it just because I feel that the reason for this child killing seems more incomprehensible TO ME than all the other child killings I have sadly had to read about in the media. That does not make this case "more or less valuable", it makes it just even harder to understand. That is not placing a higher value on the killing but an expression of my total disbelieve as to the reason that this poor kid was murdered.
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    Re: Jessica Dutro, Mother Who Allegedly Thought Young Son Was Gay Before Murdering Hi

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    This thread is about the murder of a child. Not about "anti-gay hatred". While I'm not a big fan of hatred in any form, to say that that is worse than the murder of a child is nonsense. As has been pointed out in this thread, "anti-gay hatred" was an excuse. If not that, it would have been something else.
    No, this thread is about how I do not understand how it is possible that someone can attribute gay behavior to a 4 year old and use this as an excuse to murder him.

    I live in a country where a murder does not constitute an automatic life sentence, killing a child is something that should lead to a life sentence in my point of view as does the reason she has given for the murder of this child. Maybe a child murder should lead to a life sentence but that is now how the law in my country works. Maybe in the US she will get life regardless but I think child murderers like this have to be removed from society forever (just like predator child killers, insane child killers and all other people who kill a child with malice and intent).
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