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Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

CRUE CAB said:
Hard to say, seems we are only getting one side of the story.
Was the gun "drawn and aimed" or just at his side in his hand?
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That matters?

quit justifying bulling with weapons.

The MAN is confronting children. If he needed Smith and Wesson back up what the **** is a coward like that even doing in uniform?

Please, get me a name and address. I want to get his ass on an international watch list so he doesn't spread his diseased thinking to the real land of the free where real men don't need guns to correct children's behavior.
 
Fearandloathing said:
That matters?

quit justifying bulling with weapons.

The MAN is confronting children. If he needed Smith and Wesson back up what the **** is a coward like that even doing in uniform?

Please, get me a name and address. I want to get his ass on an international watch list so he doesn't spread his diseased thinking to the real land of the free where real men don't need guns to correct children's behavior.
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Matters alot, you dont know what was said in the dispatch call. You dont know whay they MAY have been facing. You just hate cops. Admit it.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Matters alot, you dont know what was said in the dispatch call. You dont know whay they MAY have been facing. You just hate cops. Admit it.
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matters zero.

A police officer is trained and is supposed to take a situation as he found it, not what unreliable witnesses may have reported to 911. You don't arrive shooting unless you are being shot at, even if 911 says "shots fired confirmed". that has been proven in 100% of the use of force hearings I have covered.

MAY is not a reason to draw a lethal weapon, you cannot escalate the situation, and drawing a lethal weapon is EXACTLY that,. a breach of police protocol and likely a felony in some jurisdctions.

based on your opinion a cop can walk into your house and scatter your brains all over the wall because the dispatcher said you were armed and dangerous. You need to re-think this.
 
rocket88 said:
It's not about race, it's about guns. If you have a gun, you are automatically right, and if you can't see that you hate America.
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Yeah, but when it's a black kid, it's so much easier to justify.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Your words indicate you cant read. Or comprehend.
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Wrong again.

You constantly justify any level of violence by cops against people.

It is quite an ignorant position.
 
Wiggen said:
Well, if that's what they were doing, it's certainly worth the death penalty. If the kids had refused to come down from the tree house and the cop had shot them, we'd have people on this forum defending the cops. Its the way the Far Right rolls on these kinds of things. Especially if the kid is black.
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Do you think that the policemen would have come into their house and pulled a gun on them if they hadn't been destroying someone else's property?
 
SMTA said:
Wrong again.

You constantly justify any level of violence by cops against people.

It is quite an ignorant position.
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Quite possibly just unholstering a service weapon is "any level of violence"? Take a breath and sit down. You are looking for an argument that is not there.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Quite possibly just unholstering a service weapon is "any level of violence"? Take a breath and sit down. You are looking for an argument that is not there.
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It's a threatening act. As is physically pointing it at the children and forcing them to lie on the ground spread out. Both of which were entirely unnecessary given that the children were peacefully building a tree fort. It was unprofessional, and blind defense of cops is exactly what allows this unwarranted behavior to continue to happen.
 
TeleKat said:
It's a threatening act. As is physically pointing it at the children and forcing them to lie on the ground spread out. Both of which were entirely unnecessary given that the children were peacefully building a tree fort. It was unprofessional, and blind defense of cops is exactly what allows this unwarranted behavior to continue to happen.
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Till you strap on a gun, pin on a badge you really dont know what its like.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Till you strap on a gun, pin on a badge you really dont know what its like.
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It keeps circling back to that. You mean once I have the all-mighty, magical police badge that absolves me of all wrong-doing, I can go around and terrorize children? How about no. I don't have to be a cop to criticize a cop who was clearly in the wrong.
 
Kreton said:
This is not a race issue. Well, hopefully not. Seems to be an asshole cop. Its not ok to have a gun out, cuss at, or make 12 year old kids lay on the ground simply because they were building a tree house.
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It's almost always a race issue. Cops don't possess perfect information when they approach people who are the subject of a police complaint. Racial information is immediately evident to the cop. Same with age information. This is the cop's life that is being put on the line when he responds to every call, so he needs to assess how much risk he faces. He can see 3 black grandmothers sitting by the tree or 3 young black males in the tree with axes or machetes. He's going to treat the situations differently.
 
TeleKat said:
It keeps circling back to that. You mean once I have the all-mighty, magical police badge that absolves me of all wrong-doing, I can go around and terrorize children? How about no. I don't have to be a cop to criticize a cop who was clearly in the wrong.
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Never said that. Only that there are two sides to a story. You believe the kid and his mother unconditionally.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Never said that. Only that there are two sides to a story. You believe the kid and his mother unconditionally.
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I would lean towards believing them, though an investigation is needed for disciplinary action. Also why does it matter whether or not they are telling the truth? In your opinion, terrorizing children is always justified as long as you have a badge.
 
PoS said:
There is a very simple way to stop this abuse of power by any public servant: remove sovereign immunity. Once that is done I promise you everyone from overzealous prosecutors, corrupt judges and brutal cops will start to behave.

Sovereign immunity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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But we don't have sovereign immunity. "The state" (in this example, cops and judges) are routinely prosecuted for wrongdoing.

One of our biggest issues is that we let people be cops who have no business being cops.
 
RiverDad said:
It's almost always a race issue. Cops don't possess perfect information when they approach people who are the subject of a police complaint. Racial information is immediately evident to the cop. Same with age information. This is the cop's life that is being put on the line when he responds to every call, so he needs to assess how much risk he faces. He can see 3 black grandmothers sitting by the tree or 3 young black males in the tree with axes or machetes. He's going to treat the situations differently.
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... So what you're saying is that 11 year old black kids... don't have a right to use the same tools used by 11 year olds around the country... without looking suspicious to cops? Lol.
 
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Texmex said:
Do you think that the policemen would have come into their house and pulled a gun on them if they hadn't been destroying someone else's property?
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Is that how you drew the conclusion that they were destroying someone else's property?
 
Kobie said:
But we don't have sovereign immunity. "The state" (in this example, cops and judges) are routinely prosecuted for wrongdoing.

One of our biggest issues is that we let people be cops who have no business being cops.
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Ayup - a moron with a badge is still a moron.
 
MaggieD said:
Not enough information about this incident to call it. Here's a photo of the kid . . . could be the cop thought the kids were older:
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Not to mention the cops were headed into a wooded area, where visibility was reduced.

Can anybody say "potential ambush"?

And it is not like treehouses and other similar buildings have not been used for criminal activity in the past.

Meth house remains contaminated and an eyesore - Port Orchard Independent

Florida deacon sexually assaulted young girl by luring her into his tree house: police  - NY Daily News

Sorry, I am not sure what to believe here, because there really is little information. But I am not seeing anything obviously wrong so far.
 
Kobie said:
One of our biggest issues is that we let people be cops who have no business being cops.
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The same could be said about any profession, including Doctors. There is no easly solution to this as the people in that say, 2% do not always manifest themselves in blatant ways.
 
MaggieD said:
Not enough information about this incident to call it. Here's a photo of the kid . . . could be the cop thought the kids were older:

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He was responding to a vandalism complaint. Maybe that's where his head was. Did he point it at them and threaten them with it? I've had an officer unholster his weapon on me. Drew his gun and held it down at his side until he understood what was happening. I didn't think much about it. 'Course to a kid, I'd imagine it'd be scary, exciting and a good story to tell.

I'd also remind people that young kids have guns in some neighborhoods.

Long and short of it is that, without video evidence to see exactly what happened, it's hard to crucify the cop.
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I don't want to judge the case without all the facts...but the photo suggests that it may have been because he's a black kid, who are more likely to stopped by police, more likely to be abused, more likely to be shot, more likely to be arrested, and more likely to get a stiffer sentence.
 
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