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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's common practice that you don't pull a weapon just because. Why do you think cops are put on leave when they use their weapons?
    So, you were there?

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    He has every right to go home alive. At what point was that threatened here?
    You were there?

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So, you were there?
    Were you? Or are you just assuming the guy with the gun must be right?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not enough information about this incident to call it. Here's a photo of the kid . . . could be the cop thought the kids were older:



    He was responding to a vandalism complaint. Maybe that's where his head was. Did he point it at them and threaten them with it? I've had an officer unholster his weapon on me. Drew his gun and held it down at his side until he understood what was happening. I didn't think much about it. 'Course to a kid, I'd imagine it'd be scary, exciting and a good story to tell.

    I'd also remind people that young kids have guns in some neighborhoods.

    Long and short of it is that, without video evidence to see exactly what happened, it's hard to crucify the cop.
    Yeah. It's pretty dangerous to be a cop so they really should threaten everyone they come across just to be on the safe side.
    /s

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Before you draw conclusions, which I can tell you already have. You should do the job. But I digress, I am sure the kid is a perfect angel. Was totally respectful and all his actions were appropriate.
    Whether or not the kid was repsectful or disrepectful is not really material as to whether it was justified to unholster a weapon. This type of idiocy by a very small minority of police officers only gives right wing anarchists (and the declining number of left wing anarchists) more fuel.

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yeah. It's pretty dangerous to be a cop so they really should threaten everyone they come across just to be on the safe side.
    /s
    Because no kids have ever killed anyone ever. In fact, lets disarm all cops and disband all PDs so no "child" will ever have to show respect to a cop or follow a cops demands to stop what they are doing.

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    "I unholstered my weapon and held it at my side until I knew what was going on." Sans any other independent witnesses or perhaps previously inappropriate conduct by the officer, if we don't take the word of the copper, we might as well close down the force.
    I agree, but to a point. Such investigations must give the officer's word credence, unless as you mentioned, there is reason to doubt it.

    At the same time, if the Officer admits to unholstering the weapon, then he must justify why he unholstered it. If his explanation is vague etc, then the fact that he unholstered the weapon might be grounds alone to discipline him giving the totality of circumstances.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'd also remind people that young kids have guns in some neighborhoods.
    Yes, they do. And "some" police officers have been known to murder citizens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Peyer
    Does that mean that a citizen can say, unsling an AR-15 at a traffic stop because the police officer "might" try to harm him? Some libertarian anarchists seem to advocate just that.

    At the end of the day, if the only justification that the officer can give is: "Well, the kid might of had a weapon and might be inclined to harm me" , then that officer should be toast.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Because no kids have ever killed anyone ever.
    What about police? Have they ever unlawfully harmed anyone? At the end of the day, that officer needs to have a better explanation than: He might of tried to murder me because some other 11 year olds have shot police officers. Likewise, the hypothetical libertarian zealot needs a little more than: "Well, I unslung my weapon because the officer "might" try to harm me. Heck, it has happened before- right"
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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Because no kids have ever killed anyone ever. In fact, lets disarm all cops and disband all PDs so no "child" will ever have to show respect to a cop or follow a cops demands to stop what they are doing.
    You're spitting in the wind.

    I've been there and done that and can comfortably tell you that the cops who are most aggressive cause the most problems.

    While it's a good idea to assess each situation based on the idea that there may be a threat it's a bad idea to respond as if there IS a threat until you've got good reason to believe that's the case.

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yeah. It's pretty dangerous to be a cop so they really should threaten everyone they come across just to be on the safe side.
    /s
    Cameras. We have them on squad cars. Why shouldn't coppers wear them? That makes sense to me. I think it's probably past time.

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    aggravated menacing, intentional infliction of emotional distress are the first two that come to mind.
    Those are civil rights violations? Hell, if it works it works.
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