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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I got the BTDT shirt on this, and the Police Academy pic hanging on my wall within reach of where I sit.



    It is hard to judge without all the details, which we don't seem to have. As a rule I am hesitant to second guess the officer-on-scene without some reason.

    But on the whole I have to agree that police seem to be reaching for either the guns or tasers a lot more quickly than was once the case... and that drawing on some 11 yr olds, absent a clear threat, seems a bit much on the surface.


    I'll grant you, my day was almost 20 yrs ago... but in my day, I dealt with quite a number of squirrelly or potentially dangerous characters without drawing a gun. (We didn't have Tasers back then).
    Hah! Handgun and a PR-24, baby.

    If you were really tactical, you had a Ku Baton for your keychain!

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Hah! Handgun and a PR-24, baby.

    If you were really tactical, you had a Ku Baton for your keychain!

    The saps were great for the back pocket.

    They'd already taken our saps away by then, but we still had the PR24. I never used it. I knew how to fight and wasn't afraid to jump in and grab somebody... but apparently these days they actively discourage officers from doing that. Not safe, y'know.

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Many posters are correct in stating that we should not rush to judgment in this particular case, as, in common with many other instances of media report, not much in the way of established fact is known.

    We may, nevertheless, treat the matter as one of principle, and in an hypothetical situation, I am inclined to agree that pulling a gun on a couple of 11 year old boys building a tree fort, and making them line prone on the ground, is an example of excessive force by an officer of the law.

    Conjecture as to how violent unarmed 11 year old boys might possibly be, or how dangerous the lot of a policeman may be, is not relevant to the circumstances of this hypothetical situation.

    One of the more insidious dangers a society may face is the increasing propensity to justify the excesses of that society's armed and police forces 'in the national interest'. On that horizon lie the Gulags, the Concentration Camps, the Police State, and the sort of armed anarchy which is a characteristic of the current Egyptian crisis. When Civil Society feels a need to call in the men with the guns to remain civil, it has lost its status as a Civilisation. In addition to which, from those to whom privilege and protected status has been granted - greater responsibility, self-control, and accountability must be expected. Neither a badge of office nor a uniform is a license, nor is it a shield, and justice must take precedence over expediency.
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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Have you? And if so, did you shoot everybody?
    Yes, and dont worry about it.

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I would lean towards believing them, though an investigation is needed for disciplinary action. Also why does it matter whether or not they are telling the truth? In your opinion, terrorizing children is always justified as long as you have a badge.
    Funny, seeing as I said none of that.

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    But we don't have sovereign immunity. "The state" (in this example, cops and judges) are routinely prosecuted for wrongdoing.
    There is sovereign immunity- any lawyer will tell you that. The only way it can be waived is that the government allows it, and that only happens in cases where there is a media outcry that it forces the government to waive it but its few and far between. And even then the cop himself will not be personally liable as the state will settle.

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Show me evidence that the cops knew that they were responding to a complaint involving 11 year old boys building a tree house.
    The complaint was filed because the kids were cutting the branches on a tree. Have you not realized it yet? They went to investigate the complaints a neighbor made about the kids cutting the branches on a tree. Or are you now telling us that they went to investigate a report where the "threat" wasn't identified? Part of the 911 report is IN THE VIDEO:

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    11-12YO - now what do you think that stands for?
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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The complaint was filed because the kids were cutting the branches on a tree. Have you not realized it yet? They went to investigate the complaints a neighbor made about the kids cutting the branches on a tree. Or are you now telling us that they went to investigate a report where the "threat" wasn't identified? Part of the 911 report is IN THE VIDEO:

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    11-12YO - now what do you think that stands for?
    No one has ever been shot by 11 or 12 year old boys, right?

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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    No one has ever been shot by 11 or 12 year old boys, right?
    By that rationale, cops should be drawing on every conceivable demographic.
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    Re: Cop Pulls Gun On Kids Building Tree Fort

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    No one has ever been shot by 11 or 12 year old boys, right?
    And they were black, which makes them gun carrying demons, right?
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