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    N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    You are late on this:
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Another absolute bull**** story from a FAR RIGHT rag. Keep trying, guys. It keeps you from doing something that really might be dangerous, such as crafting a message that appeals to people other than old white guys.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post

    It's not racist, it's unnecessary. The fraud it would stop amounts to a fraction of 1 percent of the votes cast. Meanwhile, it does nothing about corruption or the holes in the absentee balloting. It doesn't fix the structural changes needed in the 50 different voting systems.

    The whole arguement comes down to this: 1 side is OK with some illegal votes as long as nobody is disenfranchised. The other side is OK with a few people being disenfranchised if it prevents just one illegal vote. It's not unlike the gun control debate except the sides are reversed. I don't see how a few bad votes should result in the rights of law abiding citizens being abridged.

    Who decides what forms of ID are acceptable? The politicians who benefit from the dirty system. Therein lies the problem with your argument.


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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Another absolute bull**** story from a FAR RIGHT rag. Keep trying, guys. It keeps you from doing something that really might be dangerous, such as crafting a message that appeals to people other than old white guys.
    Then how about another sources (I can give you a lot more):

    The newspaper in the State Capital; Raleigh


    This story is a follow-up story and has both sides. Notice that the Democrats are trying their best to "say it ain't so" even though it obviously is.

    And the law that requires voter ID, also requires other things like the investigation that found this voter fraud. So in other words, if the bill hadn't been passed, this fraud would not have been found. Kinda explains why people keep saying that "there is no voter fraud" since before now, here in NC we had no way to legally check for it or even look for it. Now we do, and guess what... we're just starting to find it. More to come...



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    As you can see in the article I posted, the local District Attorney's are responsible for the prosecution now that the evidence has been uncovered.

    My prediction?

    Democrat DA's will do nothing, and Republican DA's will. Why do I think that? Just look at the rhetoric coming from the Democratic party and the left on this very board.

    Given that "no voter fraud exists" has been the mantra of the left, and now that voter fraud is actually being discovered thanks to laws like the NC Voter laws, Democrats will do everything they can do to support their claim that voter fraud doesn't exist which will include refusing to prosecute cases when found.

    Think about that guys. Either it it real, or it isn't. It sure looks like the facts are going against the Democrat talking points.

    Why do some keep denying the truth?
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not racist, it's unnecessary. The fraud it would stop amounts to a fraction of 1 percent of the votes cast. Meanwhile, it does nothing about corruption or the holes in the absentee balloting. It doesn't fix the structural changes needed in the 50 different voting systems.

    The whole arguement comes down to this: 1 side is OK with some illegal votes as long as nobody is disenfranchised. The other side is OK with a few people being disenfranchised if it prevents just one illegal vote. It's not unlike the gun control debate except the sides are reversed. I don't see how a few bad votes should result in the rights of law abiding citizens being abridged.

    Who decides what forms of ID are acceptable? The politicians who benefit from the dirty system. Therein lies the problem with your argument.
    I think your two points that you state it comes down to are more like this: One side doesn't want anyone disenfranchised but hasn't dealt with all the problems that can cause said disenfranchisement, but is at least trying to get there, and; the other one uses disenfranchisement as their reason to fight voter law reform as long as the fraudulent votes cast have the potential to more than likely be cast for them.

    Just my opinion based on what I have seen and read.

    You're correct that absentee voters should have to be controlled since they are the easiest path to election fraud, and the NC law this thread is about does that - Absentee voters must show an ID when picking up their ballot. What it can't do, is allow for a cross check before the votes are cast in all other states. A federal law would have to be enacted to do that, or other states would have to agree to cooperate. A few have agreed to do so, and NC is one that has. And so far, only GOP controlled states are the ones that do. Some Democrat controlled states have agreed to cooperate, but only after the votes are already cast and the election is certified. I find that interesting.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Another absolute bull**** story from a FAR RIGHT rag. Keep trying, guys. It keeps you from doing something that really might be dangerous, such as crafting a message that appeals to people other than old white guys.
    Hey Wiggen

    Here in Mexifornia formerly California voter fraud is as common as taco trucks on the streets of L.A.

    How do you think Loretta Sanchez (Lib-D) was able to defeat Rep. Bob Dornan (R) in "Reagan Country" aka Orange County ?

    The Sour Lesson Of Bob Dornan's Defeat

    >" In 1995, Republican Congressman Bob Dornan, who had represented two different Southern California districts, starting in 1976, decided to run for president. He had great fun for about a year, but spent most of his campaign funds and neglected his district. This gave an opening to a Democratic financial analyst named Loretta Sanchez-Brixey, who had run for several minor offices without success. She dropped the Brixey (though not her husband) so as to appear more Hispanic and ran a clever campaign against Dornan, defeating him by the narrow margin of 984 votes. A visit by Bill Clinton and help from the state and national Democratic parties may have made the difference. (Clinton and the Democrats had good reason to dislike Dornan, who had criticized Clinton as a draft dodger and a "multiple womanizer".)

    So far, this would seem to be a routine story, just another example of a politician who didn't pay enough attention to the folks back home, or how his district was changing. But there is more to the story. Dornan charged that Sanchez's margin came from non-citizens, and an investigation by the House of Representatives found that 547 non-citizens had voted in the election. Some believe that far more non-citizens voted, who were not detected. John Fund, in Stealing Elections, says that:

    An INS investigation in 1996 into alleged Motor Voter fraud in California's Forty-sixth Congressional District revealed that "4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in the disputed election between Republican Robert Dornan and Democrat Loretta Sanchez." (p. 24)


    Unfortunately, Fund does not provide an end note for that quotation, though he does for most others in the book. The 4,023 is a larger number than I have seen in other accounts, though I have seen claims that more than 2,000 non-citizens were registered to vote in the district. The authoritative Almanac of American Politics (1998 edition) says only that "it is possible that Dornan has a case", which is as far as I would go, too.

    But the Almanac has more to say about how many of those non-citizens got on the rolls, and that part of the story is also instructive..."<

    Continue -> Sound Politics: The Sour Lesson Of Bob Dornan's Defeat

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Then how about another sources (I can give you a lot more):

    The newspaper in the State Capital; Raleigh


    This story is a follow-up story and has both sides. Notice that the Democrats are trying their best to "say it ain't so" even though it obviously is.

    And the law that requires voter ID, also requires other things like the investigation that found this voter fraud. So in other words, if the bill hadn't been passed, this fraud would not have been found. Kinda explains why people keep saying that "there is no voter fraud" since before now, here in NC we had no way to legally check for it or even look for it. Now we do, and guess what... we're just starting to find it. More to come...





    As you can see in the article I posted, the local District Attorney's are responsible for the prosecution now that the evidence has been uncovered.

    My prediction?

    Democrat DA's will do nothing, and Republican DA's will. Why do I think that? Just look at the rhetoric coming from the Democratic party and the left on this very board.

    Given that "no voter fraud exists" has been the mantra of the left, and now that voter fraud is actually being discovered thanks to laws like the NC Voter laws, Democrats will do everything they can do to support their claim that voter fraud doesn't exist which will include refusing to prosecute cases when found.

    Think about that guys. Either it it real, or it isn't. It sure looks like the facts are going against the Democrat talking points.

    Why do some keep denying the truth?



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