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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Then how about another sources (I can give you a lot more):

    The newspaper in the State Capital; Raleigh


    This story is a follow-up story and has both sides. Notice that the Democrats are trying their best to "say it ain't so" even though it obviously is.

    And the law that requires voter ID, also requires other things like the investigation that found this voter fraud. So in other words, if the bill hadn't been passed, this fraud would not have been found. Kinda explains why people keep saying that "there is no voter fraud" since before now, here in NC we had no way to legally check for it or even look for it. Now we do, and guess what... we're just starting to find it. More to come...





    As you can see in the article I posted, the local District Attorney's are responsible for the prosecution now that the evidence has been uncovered.

    My prediction?

    Democrat DA's will do nothing, and Republican DA's will. Why do I think that? Just look at the rhetoric coming from the Democratic party and the left on this very board.

    Given that "no voter fraud exists" has been the mantra of the left, and now that voter fraud is actually being discovered thanks to laws like the NC Voter laws, Democrats will do everything they can do to support their claim that voter fraud doesn't exist which will include refusing to prosecute cases when found.

    Think about that guys. Either it it real, or it isn't. It sure looks like the facts are going against the Democrat talking points.

    Why do some keep denying the truth?
    since nothing has been proved I find you partisan nonsense hilarious.

    But here is the thing, from your link:

    VOTER ID: Would it prevent these instances? Unlikely, observers say. An ID alone can’t stop voting in two states. It may stop people from voting under a dead person’s name, but absentee ballots don’t require photo verification to vote.

    Read more here: Morning Memo: Report on possible double voting creates a storm | Under the Dome Blog | NewsObserver.com

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Voter ID is an idea who's time has come. Clear a path libs.
    voter id would not have done anything to stop what has been claimed here.
    BTW we have always had to identify ourselves to vote.

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    voter id would not have done anything to stop what has been claimed here.
    BTW we have always had to identify ourselves to vote.
    Yeah, in my state you just state your name, they can't even legally ask for ID. Thats going to change very soon.

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Voter ID is an idea who's time has come. Clear a path libs.
    Maybe, maybe not - it certainly wouldn't have stopped the 765 cases of dual voting.

    NC photo ID wouldn't stop 2-state voting
    Anita Earls, executive director of the Southern Coalition for Social Justice, said the photo ID demand wouldn't make a difference in preventing two-state voting.

    "The voter ID wouldn't stop any single one of those voters from double-voting," said Earls, the lead attorney in a state lawsuit filed by interest groups and several voters challenging the ID requirement.

    Speaking at a Legislative Building news conference, Earls argued that the law actually may encourage fraud by making it easier to vote by mail through absentee ballots. The law doesn't require someone who wants to vote by mail to offer a photo ID, but rather the person must provide other identifying documents or numbers.

    Double-voting could occur when a person living in one state votes at a precinct on Election Day while having already voted in another state by mail using an old address.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    voter id would not have done anything to stop what has been claimed here.
    BTW we have always had to identify ourselves to vote.
    Quiet. You're spoiling the fun.

    Everyone knows that any kind of 'voter fraud' means that photo ID is necessary, even if photo ID would have NO effect on the type of 'voter fraud' being discussed.

    Besides, there's been a pattern to the revelations of massive cases of voter fraud. We get the preliminary shocked announcement of thousands of cases of potential fraud, then and a year or two later we find out that the actual numbers are a handful or so.

    Based on past results, that's the likely outcome here:

    However, other states using the cross-check system have yielded relatively few criminal prosecutions for voter fraud once the cases were thoroughly investigated.

    Only 11 people were prosecuted on allegations of double-voting as a result of the 15 states that performed similar database checks following the 2010 elections, according to data compiled by elections officials in Kansas, where the cross-check program originated.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Maybe, maybe not - it certainly wouldn't have stopped the 765 cases of dual voting.
    Perhaps, but the burden isn't to find a panacea solution. I say we start with the common sense approach and go from there.

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    I hope the partisans will take the time to read some of the actual news stories out there and not rely solely on websites and blogs which support their specific views. The Elections Board report has not found "thousands of felony level voter fraud cases"

    Last year, similar charges were leveled in South Carolina when the state's Attorney General went on a rampage about "900 dead people who had voted in the elections". Sadly for him and his supporters, an investigation by the State Law Enforcement Division failed to verify a single actual instance of a dead person voting.
    July, 2013 COLUMBIA, SC — No one intentionally cast a ballot in South Carolina using the names of dead people in recent elections, despite allegations to the contrary, according to a State Law Enforce*ment Division report.

    Attorney General Alan Wilson asked the agency to investigate last year after the Department of Motor Vehicles determined in early 2012 that more than 900 people listed as deceased had voted in recent years. Wilson called the number “alarming” and said it “clearly necessitates an investigation into criminal activity.”

    State Election Commission Director Marci Andino had her staff look at questionable votes from the November 2010 general election, or about 200 of the more than 900 votes total – information that was also ultimately analyzed by SLED. Nearly half of the issues could be attributed to clerical errors, while several dozen resulted from DMV officials running Social Security numbers of voters against dead people but not seeing whether the names matched.

    Several other issues arose from ballots cast by men with the same names as their deceased fathers.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    from the Google News page, 'interesting' differences in how the story is being headlined - I used a neutral search term --- North Carolina State Board of Elections report

    Massive Voter Fraud Discovered in North Carolina's 2012 Election
    PJ Media-Apr 2, 2014

    Voter fraud in North Carolina? Not so fast
    MSNBC-1 hour ago

    New evidence of voter fraud in North Carolina alleged
    abc11.com-Apr 2, 2014

    Report points to possible voter fraud in NC
    WNCN-Apr 2, 2014

    State elections officials seek tighter security
    Highly Cited-WRAL.com-Apr 2, 2014

    Hundreds of cases of potential voter fraud uncovered in North Carolina
    In-Depth-Fox News-27 minutes ago

    Report Shows Voters In Different States, But Is It Fraud?
    WFAE-7 hours ago

    At least 81 dead people have been voting in North Carolina
    Daily Caller-Apr 2, 2014

    Do you think you can detect a political lean just from the headlines?
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not racist, it's unnecessary. The fraud it would stop amounts to a fraction of 1 percent of the votes cast. Meanwhile, it does nothing about corruption or the holes in the absentee balloting. It doesn't fix the structural changes needed in the 50 different voting systems.

    The whole arguement comes down to this: 1 side is OK with some illegal votes as long as nobody is disenfranchised. The other side is OK with a few people being disenfranchised if it prevents just one illegal vote. It's not unlike the gun control debate except the sides are reversed. I don't see how a few bad votes should result in the rights of law abiding citizens being abridged.

    Who decides what forms of ID are acceptable? The politicians who benefit from the dirty system. Therein lies the problem with your argument.
    Yet nary a word about red states enacting unnecessary laws to prevent minorities from voting. Like changing the voting hours or providing fewer voting machines than necessary for predominantly minority precincts. That's just 'good old white boy' politics, apparently.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    from the Google News page, 'interesting' differences in how the story is being headlined - I used a neutral search term --- North Carolina State Board of Elections report

    Massive Voter Fraud Discovered in North Carolina's 2012 Election
    PJ Media-Apr 2, 2014

    Voter fraud in North Carolina? Not so fast
    MSNBC-1 hour ago

    New evidence of voter fraud in North Carolina alleged
    abc11.com-Apr 2, 2014

    Report points to possible voter fraud in NC
    WNCN-Apr 2, 2014

    State elections officials seek tighter security
    Highly Cited-WRAL.com-Apr 2, 2014

    Hundreds of cases of potential voter fraud uncovered in North Carolina
    In-Depth-Fox News-27 minutes ago

    Report Shows Voters In Different States, But Is It Fraud?
    WFAE-7 hours ago

    At least 81 dead people have been voting in North Carolina
    Daily Caller-Apr 2, 2014

    Do you think you can detect a political lean just from the headlines?
    As somebody else accurately pointed out, we always get these allegations but when it comes to actual prosecution and conviction of these felons, there is nothing. Because that's all they are - allegations. Let's see a story of large numbers of people actually convicted of voter fraud. Allegations are easy to make. Convictions - which require actual evidence before a judge and/or a jury - are a lot less common, because most of the allegations are pure bull****.
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