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N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

I hope the partisans will take the time to read some of the actual news stories out there and not rely solely on websites and blogs which support their specific views. The Elections Board report has not found "thousands of felony level voter fraud cases"

Last year, similar charges were leveled in South Carolina when the state's Attorney General went on a rampage about "900 dead people who had voted in the elections". Sadly for him and his supporters, an investigation by the State Law Enforcement Division failed to verify a single actual instance of a dead person voting.
July, 2013 COLUMBIA, SC — No one intentionally cast a ballot in South Carolina using the names of dead people in recent elections, despite allegations to the contrary, according to a State Law Enforce*ment Division report.

Attorney General Alan Wilson asked the agency to investigate last year after the Department of Motor Vehicles determined in early 2012 that more than 900 people listed as deceased had voted in recent years. Wilson called the number “alarming” and said it “clearly necessitates an investigation into criminal activity.”

State Election Commission Director Marci Andino had her staff look at questionable votes from the November 2010 general election, or about 200 of the more than 900 votes total – information that was also ultimately analyzed by SLED. Nearly half of the issues could be attributed to clerical errors, while several dozen resulted from DMV officials running Social Security numbers of voters against dead people but not seeing whether the names matched.

Several other issues arose from ballots cast by men with the same names as their deceased fathers.
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from the Google News page, 'interesting' differences in how the story is being headlined - I used a neutral search term --- North Carolina State Board of Elections report

Massive Voter Fraud Discovered in North Carolina's 2012 Election
PJ Media-Apr 2, 2014

Voter fraud in North Carolina? Not so fast
MSNBC-1 hour ago

New evidence of voter fraud in North Carolina alleged
abc11.com-Apr 2, 2014

Report points to possible voter fraud in NC
WNCN-Apr 2, 2014

State elections officials seek tighter security
Highly Cited-WRAL.com-Apr 2, 2014

Hundreds of cases of potential voter fraud uncovered in North Carolina
In-Depth-Fox News-27 minutes ago

Report Shows Voters In Different States, But Is It Fraud?
WFAE-7 hours ago

At least 81 dead people have been voting in North Carolina
Daily Caller-Apr 2, 2014

Do you think you can detect a political lean just from the headlines?
 
rocket88 said:
It's not racist, it's unnecessary. The fraud it would stop amounts to a fraction of 1 percent of the votes cast. Meanwhile, it does nothing about corruption or the holes in the absentee balloting. It doesn't fix the structural changes needed in the 50 different voting systems.

The whole arguement comes down to this: 1 side is OK with some illegal votes as long as nobody is disenfranchised. The other side is OK with a few people being disenfranchised if it prevents just one illegal vote. It's not unlike the gun control debate except the sides are reversed. I don't see how a few bad votes should result in the rights of law abiding citizens being abridged.

Who decides what forms of ID are acceptable? The politicians who benefit from the dirty system. Therein lies the problem with your argument.
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Yet nary a word about red states enacting unnecessary laws to prevent minorities from voting. Like changing the voting hours or providing fewer voting machines than necessary for predominantly minority precincts. That's just 'good old white boy' politics, apparently.
 
Somerville said:
from the Google News page, 'interesting' differences in how the story is being headlined - I used a neutral search term --- North Carolina State Board of Elections report

Massive Voter Fraud Discovered in North Carolina's 2012 Election
PJ Media-Apr 2, 2014

Voter fraud in North Carolina? Not so fast
MSNBC-1 hour ago

New evidence of voter fraud in North Carolina alleged
abc11.com-Apr 2, 2014

Report points to possible voter fraud in NC
WNCN-Apr 2, 2014

State elections officials seek tighter security
Highly Cited-WRAL.com-Apr 2, 2014

Hundreds of cases of potential voter fraud uncovered in North Carolina
In-Depth-Fox News-27 minutes ago

Report Shows Voters In Different States, But Is It Fraud?
WFAE-7 hours ago

At least 81 dead people have been voting in North Carolina
Daily Caller-Apr 2, 2014

Do you think you can detect a political lean just from the headlines?
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As somebody else accurately pointed out, we always get these allegations but when it comes to actual prosecution and conviction of these felons, there is nothing. Because that's all they are - allegations. Let's see a story of large numbers of people actually convicted of voter fraud. Allegations are easy to make. Convictions - which require actual evidence before a judge and/or a jury - are a lot less common, because most of the allegations are pure bull****.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Then how about another sources (I can give you a lot more):

The newspaper in the State Capital; Raleigh

This story is a follow-up story and has both sides. Notice that the Democrats are trying their best to "say it ain't so" even though it obviously is.

And the law that requires voter ID, also requires other things like the investigation that found this voter fraud. So in other words, if the bill hadn't been passed, this fraud would not have been found. Kinda explains why people keep saying that "there is no voter fraud" since before now, here in NC we had no way to legally check for it or even look for it. Now we do, and guess what... we're just starting to find it. More to come...





As you can see in the article I posted, the local District Attorney's are responsible for the prosecution now that the evidence has been uncovered.

My prediction?

Democrat DA's will do nothing, and Republican DA's will. Why do I think that? Just look at the rhetoric coming from the Democratic party and the left on this very board.

Given that "no voter fraud exists" has been the mantra of the left, and now that voter fraud is actually being discovered thanks to laws like the NC Voter laws, Democrats will do everything they can do to support their claim that voter fraud doesn't exist which will include refusing to prosecute cases when found.

Think about that guys. Either it it real, or it isn't. It sure looks like the facts are going against the Democrat talking points.

Why do some keep denying the truth?
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Because it occurs in such small numbers, it's a waste of time. Do individual voters make mistakes or do something they shouldn't? Probably - after all, there were a hundred and forty million votes cast in the last Presidential election. There were undoubtedly cases of voters voting twice or the ballots of deceased voters being counted. If that's what you've got your panties in a twist about, then you should seek some professional help.

Find some incidents of 'election fraud', where a concentrated and coordinated effort was made to change the result of an election.

Good luck with that.
 
Wiggen said:
As somebody else accurately pointed out, we always get these allegations but when it comes to actual prosecution and conviction of these felons, there is nothing. Because that's all they are - allegations. Let's see a story of large numbers of people actually convicted of voter fraud. Allegations are easy to make. Convictions - which require actual evidence before a judge and/or a jury - are a lot less common, because most of the allegations are pure bull****.
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Convictions? Hell, they don't even lay charges on anyone.
 
Why do Liberals have so many endless problems that center around the simple act of voting?
 
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Ray410 said:
Why do the Liberals have so many endless problems that center around voting?
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Why do Conservatives endlessly create so many needless, groundless, stupid problems that center around voting?
 
rocket88 said:
Like the Republicans don't like invalid votes that are for them....:roll:

Here's the thing: I'm not willing to say "Well, we don't have it all worked out yet" while people can't vote. Neither party is going to fix those issues if they won. What you're telling us is that it's OK with you if some people get disenfranchised - even though it's not what you "want" - because it's a start, and the fact that we don't have the issues dealt with is OK too. It's not OK to me. They tried up here to do a voter ID amendment (which failed). In the end I voted against it because when pressed for specifics, they basically just said "Trust us." Don't trust politicians. They don't care if you're disenfranchised unless you vote for them. I have a big problem with that.
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I don't think any party would raise sand if they won an election, however, it's the GOP that's trying to at least do something, while the other party is fighting to keep the status quo.

And, there is no evidence that voter ID laws or any of the other actions taken in the NC law would have any impact whatsoever on creating disenfranchisement. So far all the fighting against it is race baiting and class warfare rhetoric that is based on conjecture and not facts.

The evidence we do have, is that voter fraud does occur and has in fact disenfranchised citizens votes. And, that if it weren't for the NC voter law that this thread is about, we would still have no idea just how much there was or that it existed at all. So, the facts support this law, and support doing even more to fight voter fraud.
 
Sababa said:
since nothing has been proved I find you partisan nonsense hilarious.

But here is the thing, from your link:
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Nothing has been proved???

People voted in more than one precinct in more than one state.

People that were dead... voted.

Both of those things have been proven.

Nothing in what I said had anything to do with voter ID.

I think if you were to read my other posts on this board, and talk to many of the other members, you would find that I am one of the least partisan people on this forum.

In other words, your blatant denial of the facts in the reports of the findings, is Blindly Partisan, by saying nothing has been proven.

Not a good start for a new member here.
 
Wiggen said:
Because it occurs in such small numbers, it's a waste of time. Do individual voters make mistakes or do something they shouldn't? Probably - after all, there were a hundred and forty million votes cast in the last Presidential election. There were undoubtedly cases of voters voting twice or the ballots of deceased voters being counted. If that's what you've got your panties in a twist about, then you should seek some professional help.

Find some incidents of 'election fraud', where a concentrated and coordinated effort was made to change the result of an election.

Good luck with that.
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I would like to thank you for providing yet another example of the ironic logic from the left on this issue that I pointed out in my other post that I'll quote below for your convenience:
Beaudreaux said:
So let me get this straight ...

The left on this thread are against these voter laws (that at the very least will identify if not reduce voter fraud as seen in this instance) because only a some people are disenfranchised by actual voter fraud and at the same time they are against these same laws because they say it may disenfranchise some voters.

Anyone else see the disconnect in this argument???
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Beaudreaux said:
Nothing has been proved???

People voted in more than one precinct in more than one state.

People that were dead... voted.

Both of those things have been proven.

Nothing in what I said had anything to do with voter ID.

I think if you were to read my other posts on this board, and talk to many of the other members, you would find that I am one of the least partisan people on this forum.

In other words, your blatant denial of the facts in the reports of the findings, is Blindly Partisan, by saying nothing has been proven.

Not a good start for a new member here.
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How many voted in two separate precincts? When the same charges were laid two years ago in South Carolina, investigation found more than half of the supposed dual voters were due to clerical errors. We have people with the same names, we have people who moved from one district to another and didn't tell the old registrar they no longer lived in the district. South Carolina found almost everyone of the "dead" voters were cases of sons with the same names as their deceased fathers.

At this time NOTHING has been proven, the elections board has found names that seem to indicate voter fraud but until every single scrap of paper is gone over, checking signatures and verifying that there were no mistakes, we have only charges but no proof.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Nothing has been proved???

People voted in more than one precinct in more than one state.

People that were dead... voted.

Both of those things have been proven.

Nothing in what I said had anything to do with voter ID.

I think if you were to read my other posts on this board, and talk to many of the other members, you would find that I am one of the least partisan people on this forum.

In other words, your blatant denial of the facts in the reports of the findings, is Blindly Partisan, by saying nothing has been proven.

Not a good start for a new member here.
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If you are speaking of NC, no they have not been proven. not a single one of them.

And I predict few if any cases of voter fraud will be proven once a proper investigation is conducted.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I don't think any party would raise sand if they won an election, however, it's the GOP that's trying to at least do something, while the other party is fighting to keep the status quo.
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"Something" is exactly what they're trying to do. Unfortunately, they focus on the smallest part of the problem and convince people that they are part of the solution. Congratulations on being so gullible. It basically comes down to they think Democrats benefit, and anything that hurts Democrats is good enough for them.

If they put as much effort into good elections here as they did in Iraq, they wouldn't be going after such small potatoes.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Nothing has been proved???

People voted in more than one precinct in more than one state.

People that were dead... voted.

Both of those things have been proven.

Nothing in what I said had anything to do with voter ID.

I think if you were to read my other posts on this board, and talk to many of the other members, you would find that I am one of the least partisan people on this forum.

In other words, your blatant denial of the facts in the reports of the findings, is Blindly Partisan, by saying nothing has been proven.

Not a good start for a new member here.
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How does voting in more than one state really effect an election? Unless it's a Presidential election, they're not voting for the same person (and even if it is a Presidential election, the popular vote doesn't count for much anyway).

The amount of time and effort it would take to tip an election one way or the other using these means is incredible. You think Democrats are incompetent in government, yet capable of masterminding that kind of conspiracy? Seriously, anybody capable of that is probably better suited to run a government anyway.
 
Somerville said:
How many voted in two separate precincts? When the same charges were laid two years ago in South Carolina, investigation found more than half of the supposed dual voters were due to clerical errors. We have people with the same names, we have people who moved from one district to another and didn't tell the old registrar they no longer lived in the district. South Carolina found almost everyone of the "dead" voters were cases of sons with the same names as their deceased fathers.

At this time NOTHING has been proven, the elections board has found names that seem to indicate voter fraud but until every single scrap of paper is gone over, checking signatures and verifying that there were no mistakes, we have only charges but no proof.
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So you'd be fine with ignoring all this regardless of the truth that may be found if it hasn't already? Good to know. Let's just dismiss anything found so that the status quo remains. Except, I would prefer that my vote not be wiped out by one of these people and disenfranchise me; that is if you don't mind.
 
USViking said:
If you are speaking of NC, no they have not been proven. not a single one of them.

And I predict few if any cases of voter fraud will be proven once a proper investigation is conducted.
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I'm from NC also. The State Election Board is the one that has conducted the investigation, and has referred the findings to the local District Attorney's. We'll see what happens then, which I gave me prediction of what would happen in an earlier post.

Or, we could just ignore it, say to hell with our voting rights, and let anyone from around the world come here and vote for our government representatives?
 
rocket88 said:
"Something" is exactly what they're trying to do. Unfortunately, they focus on the smallest part of the problem and convince people that they are part of the solution. Congratulations on being so gullible. It basically comes down to they think Democrats benefit, and anything that hurts Democrats is good enough for them.

If they put as much effort into good elections here as they did in Iraq, they wouldn't be going after such small potatoes.
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Nice!!! That was a better than average deflection. I'm impressed. Seriously.

Although it still doesn't address the issues of which party is trying to do something and which party is not, and the fact that any voter fraud (for whatever reason) does in fact disenfranchise citizens and there is no evidence that these laws may or may not.

I prefer to at least start by doing something that gets us moving in the correct direction of protecting our most valuable right as a citizen of the US, our franchise.
 
rocket88 said:
How does voting in more than one state really effect an election? Unless it's a Presidential election, they're not voting for the same person (and even if it is a Presidential election, the popular vote doesn't count for much anyway).

The amount of time and effort it would take to tip an election one way or the other using these means is incredible. You think Democrats are incompetent in government, yet capable of masterminding that kind of conspiracy? Seriously, anybody capable of that is probably better suited to run a government anyway.
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When did I say that Democrats are masterminding anything. I don't think either party is capable of having a mind at all, much less a master mind.

All I said was that one party is trying to do something, and one party isn't. There's no way to tell which party a given fraudulent vote was cast. The difference so far is that one party doesn't care about that and only wants to protect the voting system in the US (although they aren't doing it completely correct to the extent needed) and the other party just doesn't seem to care about voter fraud and screams that the voters they feel would vote for them are the ones that would be effected by these laws. That's the overt impression. Why is that? Since it's been shown that these laws will have no effect on any eligible voter.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I'm from NC also. The State Election Board is the one that has conducted the investigation,
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What investigation? Have they contacted a single one of the alleged double voters to see if there might be some innocent explanation, such as that the person in question has actually lived in Alaska for the last 10 years but never told his old NC precinct he was leaving?



Beaudreaux said:
and has referred the findings to the local District Attorney's.
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I missed that the DAs had gotten any work out of this yet. I bet they are just thrilled about having 35,000 hot cases dumped in their laps. Or has that diligent Election Board winnowed out a few. If so, how many were winnowed and why?



Beaudreaux said:
We'll see what happens then, which I gave me prediction of what would happen in an earlier post.
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Don't be bashful, go ahead and tell us again so we don't have go hunt for it.



Beaudreaux said:
Or, we could just ignore it, say to hell with our voting rights, and let anyone from around the world come here and vote for our government representatives?
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I want a full, fair, complete investigation, so don't you worry your feverish little Republican head over that.

It might interest you to know that a smaller-scale but otherwise similar brouhaha in South Carolina apparently did not result in a single prosecution. Check it out:

Investigative Report: SLED Investigation Into Voter Fraud

Now that the NC Republican assholes have gone on record with a fantastic number in the 10s of thousands fraudulent votes my prediction is that the national and indeed international media will have to take a good look at just exactly what is going on here. My further prediction is that there won't be 10 people convicted, and there might not even be that many charged, because like so much else which exists in the fevered minds of Republicans this massive voter fraud exists only in their minds. When the truth is out they will be laughingstock.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Nothing has been proved???

People voted in more than one precinct in more than one state.

People that were dead... voted.

Both of those things have been proven.

Nothing in what I said had anything to do with voter ID.

I think if you were to read my other posts on this board, and talk to many of the other members, you would find that I am one of the least partisan people on this forum.

In other words, your blatant denial of the facts in the reports of the findings, is Blindly Partisan, by saying nothing has been proven.

Not a good start for a new member here.
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no it hasn't been proven the article itself says this could be a reporting error. If you link to Pajamas media for facts you are a partisan hack.
 
USViking said:
What investigation? Have they contacted a single one of the alleged double voters to see if there might be some innocent explanation, such as that the person in question has actually lived in Alaska for the last 10 years but never told his old NC precinct he was leaving?




I missed that the DAs had gotten any work out of this yet. I bet they are just thrilled about having 35,000 hot cases dumped in their laps. Or has that diligent Election Board winnowed out a few. If so, how many were winnowed and why?




Don't be bashful, go ahead and tell us again so we don't have go hunt for it.




I want a full, fair, complete investigation, so don't you worry your feverish little Republican head over that.

It might interest you to know that a smaller-scale but otherwise similar brouhaha in South Carolina apparently did not result in a single prosecution. Check it out:

Investigative Report: SLED Investigation Into Voter Fraud

Now that the NC Republican assholes have gone on record with a fantastic number in the 10s of thousands fraudulent votes my prediction is that the national and indeed international media will have to take a good look at just exactly what is going on here. My further prediction is that there won't be 10 people convicted, and there might not even be that many charged, because like so much else which exists in the fevered minds of Republicans this massive voter fraud exists only in their minds. When the truth is out they will be laughingstock.
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Yes, the charges of voter fraud piss Democrats off like nothing else apparently.

Well asking someone for a ID to vote pisses you people off too.

But the two, I'm sure are NOT related......maybe.
 
Sababa said:
no it hasn't been proven the article itself says this could be a reporting error. If you link to Pajamas media for facts you are a partisan hack.
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Pajamas media? What is that? I linked to the local news, which gave both sides of the debate. Maybe you've confused me with someone else.
 
Fenton said:
Yes, the charges of voter fraud piss Democrats off like nothing else apparently.

Well asking someone for a ID to vote pisses you people off too.

But the two, I'm sure are NOT related......maybe.
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Pray tell, why are Republican governed states cutting voting times by eliminating early voting days and weekend voting - days when low income workers have the time to stand in line to vote?

Why have Republican legislatures decided to refuse to accept state university photo IDs?

Why have Republican states made absentee voting easier? Many of the cases of dual votes have been the result of mailed in ballots followed up by in-person voting

When it is pointed out that the laws being passed impact demographic groups which traditionally vote Democratic, the Republican response has been "Yeah, so what!" Turzai: Voter ID Law Means Romney Can Win in PA | PoliticsPA

It is not the "charges of voter fraud" that piss off Democrats, it is the laws being passed which directly affect many voters without actual justification. In every instance investigated to date, all in Republican states, the results have failed to support the charges of wide-spread voter fraud.
 
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