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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I think your two points that you state it comes down to are more like this: One side doesn't want anyone disenfranchised but hasn't dealt with all the problems that can cause said disenfranchisement, but is at least trying to get there, and; the other one uses disenfranchisement as their reason to fight voter law reform as long as the fraudulent votes cast have the potential to more than likely be cast for them.

    Just my opinion based on what I have seen and read.

    You're correct that absentee voters should have to be controlled since they are the easiest path to election fraud, and the NC law this thread is about does that - Absentee voters must show an ID when picking up their ballot. What it can't do, is allow for a cross check before the votes are cast in all other states. A federal law would have to be enacted to do that, or other states would have to agree to cooperate. A few have agreed to do so, and NC is one that has. And so far, only GOP controlled states are the ones that do. Some Democrat controlled states have agreed to cooperate, but only after the votes are already cast and the election is certified. I find that interesting.
    Like the Republicans don't like invalid votes that are for them....

    Here's the thing: I'm not willing to say "Well, we don't have it all worked out yet" while people can't vote. Neither party is going to fix those issues if they won. What you're telling us is that it's OK with you if some people get disenfranchised - even though it's not what you "want" - because it's a start, and the fact that we don't have the issues dealt with is OK too. It's not OK to me. They tried up here to do a voter ID amendment (which failed). In the end I voted against it because when pressed for specifics, they basically just said "Trust us." Don't trust politicians. They don't care if you're disenfranchised unless you vote for them. I have a big problem with that.


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Hey Wiggen

    Here in Mexifornia formerly California voter fraud is as common as taco trucks on the streets of L.A.

    How do you think Loretta Sanchez (Lib-D) was able to defeat Rep. Bob Dornan (R) in "Reagan Country" aka Orange County ?

    The Sour Lesson Of Bob Dornan's Defeat

    >" In 1995, Republican Congressman Bob Dornan, who had represented two different Southern California districts, starting in 1976, decided to run for president. He had great fun for about a year, but spent most of his campaign funds and neglected his district. This gave an opening to a Democratic financial analyst named Loretta Sanchez-Brixey, who had run for several minor offices without success. She dropped the Brixey (though not her husband) so as to appear more Hispanic and ran a clever campaign against Dornan, defeating him by the narrow margin of 984 votes. A visit by Bill Clinton and help from the state and national Democratic parties may have made the difference. (Clinton and the Democrats had good reason to dislike Dornan, who had criticized Clinton as a draft dodger and a "multiple womanizer".)

    So far, this would seem to be a routine story, just another example of a politician who didn't pay enough attention to the folks back home, or how his district was changing. But there is more to the story. Dornan charged that Sanchez's margin came from non-citizens, and an investigation by the House of Representatives found that 547 non-citizens had voted in the election. Some believe that far more non-citizens voted, who were not detected. John Fund, in Stealing Elections, says that:

    An INS investigation in 1996 into alleged Motor Voter fraud in California's Forty-sixth Congressional District revealed that "4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in the disputed election between Republican Robert Dornan and Democrat Loretta Sanchez." (p. 24)


    Unfortunately, Fund does not provide an end note for that quotation, though he does for most others in the book. The 4,023 is a larger number than I have seen in other accounts, though I have seen claims that more than 2,000 non-citizens were registered to vote in the district. The authoritative Almanac of American Politics (1998 edition) says only that "it is possible that Dornan has a case", which is as far as I would go, too.

    But the Almanac has more to say about how many of those non-citizens got on the rolls, and that part of the story is also instructive..."<

    Continue -> Sound Politics: The Sour Lesson Of Bob Dornan's Defeat
    Ah, but who did they vote for? Isn't that the real question?


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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, but who did they vote for? Isn't that the real question?
    Sanchez.

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    When someone gets convicted in court come back and tell us all about it.




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    I guess that's the new standard....

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Sanchez.
    All of them? How would you know?


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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Mmmm, but the fat lady hasn't sung yet, they're admitting they don't know if it was errors, or fraud. <yawn>

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    All of them? How would you know?
    Actually it was "DIRTY" Larry 'Nativo' Lopez, formerly of the corrupt "Hermandad Mexicana Nacional."

    It was "Hermandad Mexicana Nacional" who was registering illegal aliens and non-citizen to vote and telling them to cast their votes for Loretta Sanchez.

    I was subpoenaed to testify before Congress since I personally witnessed Larry Lopez registering illegal aliens to vote and also witnessed him throwing a voter registration card in a trashcan because the person didn't registered as a Democrat.

    He was Finlay convicted for voter fraud in 2010 twenty years after the fact. But MALDEF and Eric Holder kept him out of prison.

    I'm willing to bet he's registered tens of thousands of illegal aliens and non-citizens to vote in our elections over the years.

    Nativo Lopez / Hermandad Mexicana Nacional

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I guess that's the new standard....

    When a sitting president can obstruct justice and get away with it, it becomes second nature to arrogantly snub an investigation into what you have been denying all along....easy to do.
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    Sounds like an excellent idea.

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Voter ID is an idea who's time has come. Clear a path libs.

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Zero of the votes mentioned in this report would have been stopped by checking an ID.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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