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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    This cannot be. The Obama administration has stated there is no voter fraud, so therefore it is not possible.
    It claims there is no significant fraud, and that's probably true.

    The presumption of absolutes is stupid and reflects poorly on one making such a presumption.

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Sorry to jump into this discussion so late. I did browse the first and the last pages of this thread but I confess I have no patience to read 180 posts.
    I wonder if someone has made this point already:

    North Carolina was held by Democrats for the last 40 years. This election, the GOP won the governor's race, and both chambers of the state legislature.

    So, if any group might be suspected of having benefited from fraud, it would have to be the GOP which won swiftly in a state where they weren't winning for 40 years. People assume NC is a red state, and it did turn this way the last presidential election (not the one before last) but at the state level, the Dems had been holding everything in NC.

    I know that the point being made here is one that if there is fraud, then the voter ID law is justified.

    But there is always an undercurrent in these allegations from the right. They see fraud, they assume it's the Democrats doing it. Actually, in NC, if there was fraud (still unproven) wouldn't it be more logical to suspect the party that suddenly turned the tide after 40 years, to be the one that did it/benefited from it?
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    Sorry to jump into this discussion so late. I did browse the first and the last pages of this thread but I confess I have no patience to read 180 posts.
    I wonder if someone has made this point already:

    North Carolina was held by Democrats for the last 40 years. This election, the GOP won the governor's race, and both chambers of the state legislature.

    So, if any group might be suspected of having benefited from fraud, it would have to be the GOP which won swiftly in a state where they weren't winning for 40 years. People assume NC is a red state, and it did turn this way the last presidential election (not the one before last) but at the state level, the Dems had been holding everything in NC.

    I know that the point being made here is one that if there is fraud, then the voter ID law is justified.

    But there is always an undercurrent in these allegations from the right. They see fraud, they assume it's the Democrats doing it. Actually, in NC, if there was fraud (still unproven) wouldn't it be more logically to suspect the party that suddenly turned the tide after 40 years, to be the one that did it/benefited from it?
    That would be a logical assumption. It also has no bearing on whether or not there is a need to do something to stop it from happening.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    That would be a logical assumption. It also has no bearing on whether or not there is a need to do something to stop it from happening.
    Yes, I know that; thus this phrase in my post:

    I know that the point being made here is one that if there is fraud, then the voter ID law is justified.
    I just wanted to make the point about the whodunit (assuming fraud did exist which is not a given), in case it hadn't been made before. The GOP loves to cry foul when the prospect of fraud is raised. In this particular case, though, they may have picked a very poor example, for their side, because if anyone is likely to have benefited from fraud in NC in the latest election, it's the GOP. Otherwise, the Dems would have kept their offices, right?

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Still no evidence of widespread voter fraud. I used to believe there were bus loads of them people going from poll to poll voting.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ah. So why, then, do red states have generally higher homicide rates, higher poverty rates, lower educational attainment rates, higher divorce rates, higher teenage pregnancy rates, lower percentages of health coverage, and lower life expectancies? On top of which, red states generally take in more in federal tax dollars than they pay out, whereas blue states generally pay out more in federal tax dollars than they take in.

    I mean, if blue voters and politicians are SO screwed up, then shouldn't that be reflected in the condition of the states themselves?
    You give credit where none is deserved:

    Blue states generally have the most natural resources which in of itself produces more jobs, higher incomes and boosts economies_

    This occurs despite the Democrat politicians they elect that bury them in ballooning debt, entitlements and regulation_

    The Democrat Party approaches every problem with high-dollar band-aids instead of real solutions; unfortunately, ideologues and the ignorant can only see the here and now_

    Over spending/taxing/regulating and politicians in bed with unions in blue states such as California and New York drive jobs away that aren't dependent on the local resources_

    What happened in Detroit looms on the horizon of every blue state if the voters don't soon recognize their political error_

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Still no evidence of widespread voter fraud. I used to believe there were bus loads of them people going from poll to poll voting.
    Are you sure about that?!

    I mean; how do we actually know there's "no evidence of wide-spread voter fraud"?!

    To the best of my knowledge there has been no official investigation into the matter?!

    And any serious attempts at oversight or prevention are stonewalled by the Democrats?!

    Imo; there does appear to be enough circumstantial evidence to at least raise suspicions?!
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Come on, there are millioins of conservatives all over the coutnry watching for those buses. Found one yet? I just wish the RW would require at least a little evidecne for an outrage, or consiracy or what ever.
    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Are you sure about that?!

    I mean; how do we actually know there's "no evidence of wide-spread voter fraud"?!

    To the best of my knowledge there has been no official investigation into the matter?!

    And any serious attempts at oversight or prevention are stonewalled by the Democrats?!

    Imo; there does appear to be enough circumstantial evidence to at least raise suspicions?!
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Come on, there are millioins of conservatives all over the coutnry watching for those buses. Found one yet? I just wish the RW would require at least a little evidecne for an outrage, or consiracy or what ever.
    Sorry Mak but "millioins of conservatives" do not qualify as an "official investigation"_

    Although; those millions of conservatives have raised enough concerns to warrant an official investigation_

    Investigators are trained professionals with the power to knock on doors and subpoena witnesses and documents_

    "More than one out of every five registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote.

    In two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeds the voting-age population: Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible."

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...perts-say.html

    "New O’Keefe Video Shows Dem. Congressman’s Son Apparently Advising How to Commit Voter Fraud (Updated)"
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...t-voter-fraud/
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    There is no evidence of significant voter fraud. You guys use that to explain why you lose elections. Period.
    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Sorry Mak but "millioins of conservatives" do not qualify as an "official investigation"_

    Although; those millions of conservatives have raised enough concerns to warrant an official investigation_

    Investigators are trained professionals with the power to knock on doors and subpoena witnesses and documents_
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