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N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

oh, there's PLENTY of evidence to be found, all right. But nobody seems wiling/able to turn that evidence into people's ass in jail, where they belong.
 
Why is that? Who is it that stops prosectuion? What eveidnce do you have?
oh, there's PLENTY of evidence to be found, all right. But nobody seems wiling/able to turn that evidence into people's ass in jail, where they belong.
 
Ah. If "too many left-wing voters are of low character", then doesn't it stand to reason, then, that we would generally elect worse candidates and - by extension - blue states would be a lot worse off than red states?

I'm really looking forward to your answer on that one....
You don't hafta be a rocket surgeon ta figure this one out Glen_

They always vote for the Democrat because they promise them free stuff_

And because of this low standard, they do indeed elect the "worst candidates" regularly_

This is obvious by such things as blue state taxes, debt, entitlements and crime_

The Democrat solution is the same for everything__Spend More/Raise Taxes/Buy Votes/Repeat_

Unfortunately the Establishment Republican Party is almost as bad as the Dems about wasting tax dollars_
 
You don't hafta be a rocket surgeon ta figure this one out Glen_

They always vote for the Democrat because they promise them free stuff_

And because of this low standard, they do indeed elect the "worst candidates" regularly_

This is obvious by such things as blue state taxes, debt, entitlements and crime_

The Democrat solution is the same for everything__Spend More/Raise Taxes/Buy Votes/Repeat_

Unfortunately the Establishment Republican Party is almost as bad as the Dems about wasting tax dollars_

Ah. So why, then, do red states have generally higher homicide rates, higher poverty rates, lower educational attainment rates, higher divorce rates, higher teenage pregnancy rates, lower percentages of health coverage, and lower life expectancies? On top of which, red states generally take in more in federal tax dollars than they pay out, whereas blue states generally pay out more in federal tax dollars than they take in.

I mean, if blue voters and politicians are SO screwed up, then shouldn't that be reflected in the condition of the states themselves?
 

Noooooo!

This cannot be. The Obama administration has stated there is no voter fraud, so therefore it is not possible.

These have to be racist investigators who hate Obama and have been secretly trying to undermine the entire Democratic Party and progressive movement, Hillary Clinton and Harry Reid's offspring through a secret cabal of racists and Tea Partying Sarah Palin loving terrorists. And that "Mexican" Ted Cruz, although there are no racists in the Democratic Party and have not been since shortly after they buried Lincoln....or something

There can be no other explanation.
 
This cannot be. The Obama administration has stated there is no voter fraud, so therefore it is not possible.

It claims there is no significant fraud, and that's probably true.

The presumption of absolutes is stupid and reflects poorly on one making such a presumption.
 
Sorry to jump into this discussion so late. I did browse the first and the last pages of this thread but I confess I have no patience to read 180 posts.
I wonder if someone has made this point already:

North Carolina was held by Democrats for the last 40 years. This election, the GOP won the governor's race, and both chambers of the state legislature.

So, if any group might be suspected of having benefited from fraud, it would have to be the GOP which won swiftly in a state where they weren't winning for 40 years. People assume NC is a red state, and it did turn this way the last presidential election (not the one before last) but at the state level, the Dems had been holding everything in NC.

I know that the point being made here is one that if there is fraud, then the voter ID law is justified.

But there is always an undercurrent in these allegations from the right. They see fraud, they assume it's the Democrats doing it. Actually, in NC, if there was fraud (still unproven) wouldn't it be more logical to suspect the party that suddenly turned the tide after 40 years, to be the one that did it/benefited from it?
 
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Sorry to jump into this discussion so late. I did browse the first and the last pages of this thread but I confess I have no patience to read 180 posts.
I wonder if someone has made this point already:

North Carolina was held by Democrats for the last 40 years. This election, the GOP won the governor's race, and both chambers of the state legislature.

So, if any group might be suspected of having benefited from fraud, it would have to be the GOP which won swiftly in a state where they weren't winning for 40 years. People assume NC is a red state, and it did turn this way the last presidential election (not the one before last) but at the state level, the Dems had been holding everything in NC.

I know that the point being made here is one that if there is fraud, then the voter ID law is justified.

But there is always an undercurrent in these allegations from the right. They see fraud, they assume it's the Democrats doing it. Actually, in NC, if there was fraud (still unproven) wouldn't it be more logically to suspect the party that suddenly turned the tide after 40 years, to be the one that did it/benefited from it?
That would be a logical assumption. It also has no bearing on whether or not there is a need to do something to stop it from happening.
 
That would be a logical assumption. It also has no bearing on whether or not there is a need to do something to stop it from happening.

Yes, I know that; thus this phrase in my post:

I know that the point being made here is one that if there is fraud, then the voter ID law is justified.

I just wanted to make the point about the whodunit (assuming fraud did exist which is not a given), in case it hadn't been made before. The GOP loves to cry foul when the prospect of fraud is raised. In this particular case, though, they may have picked a very poor example, for their side, because if anyone is likely to have benefited from fraud in NC in the latest election, it's the GOP. Otherwise, the Dems would have kept their offices, right?
 
Still no evidence of widespread voter fraud. I used to believe there were bus loads of them people going from poll to poll voting.
 
Ah. So why, then, do red states have generally higher homicide rates, higher poverty rates, lower educational attainment rates, higher divorce rates, higher teenage pregnancy rates, lower percentages of health coverage, and lower life expectancies? On top of which, red states generally take in more in federal tax dollars than they pay out, whereas blue states generally pay out more in federal tax dollars than they take in.

I mean, if blue voters and politicians are SO screwed up, then shouldn't that be reflected in the condition of the states themselves?
You give credit where none is deserved:

Blue states generally have the most natural resources which in of itself produces more jobs, higher incomes and boosts economies_

This occurs despite the Democrat politicians they elect that bury them in ballooning debt, entitlements and regulation_

The Democrat Party approaches every problem with high-dollar band-aids instead of real solutions; unfortunately, ideologues and the ignorant can only see the here and now_

Over spending/taxing/regulating and politicians in bed with unions in blue states such as California and New York drive jobs away that aren't dependent on the local resources_

What happened in Detroit looms on the horizon of every blue state if the voters don't soon recognize their political error_

The long-term result of your brand of ideology is never the Socialist Utopia promised by the Democrats_
 
Still no evidence of widespread voter fraud. I used to believe there were bus loads of them people going from poll to poll voting.
Are you sure about that?!

I mean; how do we actually know there's "no evidence of wide-spread voter fraud"?!

To the best of my knowledge there has been no official investigation into the matter?!

And any serious attempts at oversight or prevention are stonewalled by the Democrats?!

Imo; there does appear to be enough circumstantial evidence to at least raise suspicions?!
 
Come on, there are millioins of conservatives all over the coutnry watching for those buses. Found one yet? I just wish the RW would require at least a little evidecne for an outrage, or consiracy or what ever.
Are you sure about that?!

I mean; how do we actually know there's "no evidence of wide-spread voter fraud"?!

To the best of my knowledge there has been no official investigation into the matter?!

And any serious attempts at oversight or prevention are stonewalled by the Democrats?!

Imo; there does appear to be enough circumstantial evidence to at least raise suspicions?!
 
Come on, there are millioins of conservatives all over the coutnry watching for those buses. Found one yet? I just wish the RW would require at least a little evidecne for an outrage, or consiracy or what ever.
Sorry Mak but "millioins of conservatives" do not qualify as an "official investigation"_

Although; those millions of conservatives have raised enough concerns to warrant an official investigation_

Investigators are trained professionals with the power to knock on doors and subpoena witnesses and documents_

"More than one out of every five registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote.

In two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeds the voting-age population: Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible."

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto...er-rolls-in-ohio-are-bloated-experts-say.html

"New O’Keefe Video Shows Dem. Congressman’s Son Apparently Advising How to Commit Voter Fraud (Updated)"
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...pparently-advising-how-to-commit-voter-fraud/
 
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There is no evidence of significant voter fraud. You guys use that to explain why you lose elections. Period.
Sorry Mak but "millioins of conservatives" do not qualify as an "official investigation"_

Although; those millions of conservatives have raised enough concerns to warrant an official investigation_

Investigators are trained professionals with the power to knock on doors and subpoena witnesses and documents_
 
There is no evidence of significant voter fraud. You guys use that to explain why you lose elections. Period.

If you do not know who actually voted (and how many times) then there is little way to detect voter fraud.
 
“We’re in the process of looking at each of these to see,” Strach said. “That means either a poll or precinct worker made a mistake and marked the wrong person, or someone voted for them. That’s something we can’t determine until we look into each case.” - See more at: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases | Rare

So in essence the op and the author of this wet napkin can't really say what has caused this....
 
There is no evidence of significant voter fraud. You guys use that to explain why you lose elections. Period.
Maybe not, but it's certainly enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an Official Investigation!

Considering the obviousness of this reality I suspect your denial is due to absolutely no rationale other than choice_
 
Anywhere but the right wing noise machine a little evidence is required for a scandal. Investigate away, I have never heard anyone on either side say they are for voter fraud. There is simply very little if any voter fraud. That is what I beleive until you show evidence. Rational people understand that. Thankfully.
Maybe not, but it's certainly enough circumstantial evidence to warrant an Official Investigation!

Considering the obviousness of this reality I suspect your denial is due to absolutely no rationale other than choice_
 
You give credit where none is deserved:

Blue states generally have the most natural resources which in of itself produces more jobs, higher incomes and boosts economies_

"Natural resources"? Really? You're telling me that Massachusetts has more natural resources than, say, Georgia?

Here's a Really Big Clue for you: if you'll look at a map of states, you already know which ones are blue or red...so look at that map and ask yourself what's the single overriding difference between blue and red states. And guess what - it has NOTHING to do with politics. Now don'tcha think that's strange, that somebody on DP would say that the biggest difference between blue and red states has nothing to do with politics? What the heck could I be referring to?

I'm going to wait to see if you can figure this one out.

This occurs despite the Democrat politicians they elect that bury them in ballooning debt, entitlements and regulation_

Can you back this up with hard data?

Didn't think so.

The Democrat Party approaches every problem with high-dollar band-aids instead of real solutions; unfortunately, ideologues and the ignorant can only see the here and now_

Wouldn't that mean the red states should have lower divorce rates, lower teenage pregnancy rates, higher percentages of health insurance, lower homicide rates, and higher life expectancies? But they DON'T, do they? So what are those 'real solutions' that the red states have implemented since they've been red states (since the Civil War, pretty much) that are supposed to bring a better standard of living for their people?

Thing is, you're arguing against RESULTS. The RESULTS that the blue states have gotten are generally superior to the RESULTS that the red states have gotten. By their actions shall ye know them, y'know?

Over spending/taxing/regulating and politicians in bed with unions in blue states such as California and New York drive jobs away that aren't dependent on the local resources_

Yeah, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Delaware are SO dependent upon their natural resources to keep afloat, aren't they? But not Georgia, Tennessee, Virginia, South Carolina, North Carolina...all those red states are SO "resource-poor", I guess....

Y'know, ya really should learn to base your opinions on HARD DATA, rather than deciding what you want to believe and then trying to back it up with empty rhetoric since you've no hard data to support your claims.

What happened in Detroit looms on the horizon of every blue state if the voters don't soon recognize their political error_

Mm-hmm...yeah, I guess the major corporations in every major city in every blue state is just aching to get out of town...except for the small fact that THEY AIN'T DOING THAT. Here's another clue - just because it's cheaper to do business in a place doesn't mean that place is a better place to do business.

The long-term result of your brand of ideology is never the Socialist Utopia promised by the Democrats_
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Here's another question: why is it that out of ALL the first-word democracies, ALL of them have higher taxes, higher levels of regulation, and stronger social safety nets? I mean, if you're right that the "nanny-state" liberal way is a sure path to the economic dustbin of history, why hasn't that happened in the EIGHTY YEARS since FDR implemented it here, and in the SIXTY YEARS since it was implemented in most of the rest of the developed world? Not only have the "nanny states" done quite well, thank you very much, but NO nations that have essentially libertarian economies have emerged to grow to anything approaching first-world status? There are quite a few nations out there whose economies are essentially libertarian in nature (if not by choice)...and they're ALL third-world nations. Why is that? Why? Why? Why?
 
Are you sure about that?!

I mean; how do we actually know there's "no evidence of wide-spread voter fraud"?!

To the best of my knowledge there has been no official investigation into the matter?!

And any serious attempts at oversight or prevention are stonewalled by the Democrats?!

Imo; there does appear to be enough circumstantial evidence to at least raise suspicions?!


Sounds like Alex Jones.
 
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