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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    It's probably because democrats don't care about voter fraud.

    It would be natural to accuse the other side of being the perpetrator. Wouldn't you think? I guess the question you need to ask is, "Why aren't democrats complaining about voter fraud thus assuming Republicans are the perpetrators?

    Maybe you should watch MSNBC and read sources other than those approved of by the right; if you did you might discover that Dems do care about voter fraud
    Republicans Admit “Voter ID” Is Designed to Steal Elections | Democratic Governors Association (DGA)

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    another "Lame Stream Media" outlet, the Los Angeles Times had a story back in 2012 about a few problems with Republican voter registration forms
    WASHINGTON — Election officials in at least 11 Florida counties have uncovered potentially fraudulent voter registration forms submitted on behalf of the state GOP, a debacle that has punctured a hole in the Republican National Committee's get-out-the-vote operation less than six weeks before election day.

    By Friday, elections supervisors had found dozens of forms turned in by the party that had wrong birthdays or spellings of names that didn't match signatures. In other cases, multiple forms were filled out in the same handwriting. One voter in Palm Beach County was registered to an address that is a Land Rover dealership.

    "It was that flagrant," said Ann W. Bodenstein, the elections supervisor in Santa Rosa County, where officials found 100 problematic applications — including one for a dead voter. "In no way did they look genuine."

    The controversy comes at an odd time for the GOP. Republican lawmakers across the country have proposed or enacted tough voter ID laws, arguing the legislation is needed to combat voter fraud.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    You can't have it both ways. You said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why do so many assume that every single instance of voter fraud is committed by a person who voted for a Democratic candidate?
    and now you are saying this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Maybe you should watch MSNBC and read sources other than those approved of by the right; if you did you might discover that Dems do care about voter fraud
    Republicans Admit “Voter ID” Is Designed to Steal Elections | Democratic Governors Association (DGA)

    Thom Hartmann: There Has Not Been a Legitimately Elected Republican President Since Dwight Eisenhower

    another "Lame Stream Media" outlet, the Los Angeles Times had a story back in 2012 about a few problems with Republican voter registration forms
    People either are complaining about Republicans committing voter fraud or they are not. Is it Doctor Jekyl or Mr. Hyde?

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    It's probably because democrats don't care about voter fraud.

    It would be natural to accuse the other side of being the perpetrator. Wouldn't you think? I guess the question you need to ask is, "Why aren't democrats complaining about voter fraud thus assuming Republicans are the perpetrators?
    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    You can't have it both ways. You said this:
    Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why do so many assume that every single instance of voter fraud is committed by a person who voted for a Democratic candidate?
    and now you are saying this:
    Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Maybe you should watch MSNBC and read sources other than those approved of by the right; if you did you might discover that Dems do care about voter fraud
    Republicans Admit “Voter ID” Is Designed to Steal Elections | Democratic Governors Association (DGA)

    Thom Hartmann: There Has Not Been a Legitimately Elected Republican President Since Dwight Eisenhower

    another "Lame Stream Media" outlet, the Los Angeles Times had a story back in 2012 about a few problems with Republican voter registration forms


    People either are complaining about Republicans committing voter fraud or they are not. Is it Doctor Jekyl or Mr. Hyde?
    You apparently are incapable of reading the words I have posted, if you thought you had a valid response to my earlier posts. First and most telling is my use of the words "every single instance", which for the literate would indicate I was attempting to inform those who think otherwise, impossible though the task may be, that even in the cases where voter fraud has been show to have occurred it was not always a Democrat who committed the crime.

    You were the one who stated Dems don't care about voter fraud and your response to my providing an answer to your fallacious claim is somewhat incoherent.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You apparently are incapable of reading the words I have posted, if you thought you had a valid response to my earlier posts. First and most telling is my use of the words "every single instance", which for the literate would indicate I was attempting to inform those who think otherwise, impossible though the task may be, that even in the cases where voter fraud has been show to have occurred it was not always a Democrat who committed the crime.

    You were the one who stated Dems don't care about voter fraud and your response to my providing an answer to your fallacious claim is somewhat incoherent.
    Oh. Are you talking about people who claim that every single instance of voter fraud is committed by Democrats? Those people don't exist. Can we really debate fairy tales with validity?

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Oh. Are you talking about people who claim that every single instance of voter fraud is committed by Democrats? Those people don't exist. Can we really debate fairy tales with validity?

    Here's one person who thinks its true
    Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud - Rachel Alexander - Page full

    that was also the stated justification in Pennsylvania and in Florida and on one of those viral emails that fly around the internets
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Exactly where did you ever hear someone on the Right suggest that left-wing voter fraud was a "conspiracy"?

    I'm sorry Glen, but that is one of the most ignorant claims I've ever heard__Seriously dude!
    Then you've never Googled "Democrat voter fraud conspiracy". Try that sometime.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Add a voter ID law in a state that just happens to not have a single full-time DMV in the areas with the highest black population.
    This might be a good argument if there weren't also white neighborhoods without "full-time DMVs"_
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    I would assume the Democrat Party dominates the areas of any state with "the highest black population" and would fill those "DMV" voids before they would risk losing those black votes_

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why do so many assume that every single instance of voter fraud is committed by a person who voted for a Democratic candidate?
    By taking into account which political party supports Voter ID and which political party opposes it_

    This ain't exactly rocket surgery mister peabody_

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    It's based on stats and stereotypes. Fewer blacks have jobs or cars than whites. There are lots of black people that don't have a driver's license and don't really need it for anything. Blacks are statistically poorer than other races. They don't have the $25 necessary to get a state issued ID card. Black people are also more likely to vote than other races of people.

    There are fewer whites in this situation. It's not a solid argument but it is a sensible way to discuss the issue. North Carolina actually gave credibility to these arguments by allowing people to get a state issued ID card for free as a government service and have even offered transportation to take people to the DMV to get an ID.

    Yes. This is equally discriminatory to poor whites too but blacks are disproportionately effected by these difficulties. Does that make sense? If you are white and have a driver's license then you will probably be unable to understand the predicament. If you are white, don't have an ID card, don't have a driver's license and don't vote then you won't understand either.
    So therefore; the only reason for supporting Voter ID must be "racism" rather than actual concerns for "voter fraud"?!

    This is 21st Century America with elected black representatives from both major parties; including POTUS_

    Sorry girls and boys but I have a bit of a problem buying into; "I support Voter ID because I hate black people"!

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Then you've never Googled "Democrat voter fraud conspiracy". Try that sometime.
    And you believe I will find evidence that the vast majority of right-wingers believe in a "left-wing voter fraud conspiracy" rather than simply some minor fringe element of it?!

    FYI, you can find something no matter what you google__Try googling Toro De Caca if you don't believe me!
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    This is 21st Century America with elected black representatives from both major parties; including POTUS_

    Sorry girls and boys but I have a bit of a problem buying into; "I support Voter ID because I hate black people"!
    This is only going to be a problem in the south where there has been a history of civil rights violations. Most southern states and many of their county governments are still under the jurisdiction of the Department of Justice in regards to making changes to any type of issue relating to voting.

    The accusers don't really have to have a good case when making the accusation of voting rights violation when in certain locations. North Carolina is one of those certain locations. The North Carolina legislature had to change their original voter ID laws because of this issue. I think it is fair considering the history. Racism still exist in North Carolina. Most legislators are very old white people that lived in a time when there was a colored water fountain and a white's only water fountain. This is foreign to me and many people my age but it really wasn't that long ago.

    Things are much different on the surface but the people are the same. The courts have to steer more to the safe side. It is not unreasonable to avoid the appearance of evil altogether. I think North Carolina has it straightened out by now and is in compliance with the Voting Rights Act.

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    In June, a 5-4 United States Supreme Court majority struck down Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act, a provision that required jurisdictions with extensive histories of discriminating against minorities -- including eight states in the South and parts of other states -- to get “preclearance” from the DOJ before making changes to their voting policies.

    Soon after the decision came down, North Carolina and a number of other Southern states announced plans to move ahead with restrictive voter policies that could not pass muster under the original law. Critics accused the states of trying to disenfranchise black and Latino voters, and Attorney General Eric Holder promised that the DOJ’s lawyers would turn to whatever tools were still available to “stand against discrimination wherever it is found.”

    One such tool could be Section 3, a relatively obscure provision of the Voting Rights Act that the Supreme Court justices have left intact, at least for now. Under Section 3, states and local governments can still be forced to clear their election changes with the federal government -- but only if a federal court can prove that those jurisdictions deliberately engaged in racial discrimination against voters.

    That could be tough. “There isn't usually the kind of traditional ‘we don't like those people’ kinds of language in the record these days,” said Kareem Crayton, a law professor at the University of North Carolina School of Law. “Legislatures are mostly too smart for that, unless they get caught on tape -- which does happen.”
    North Carolina Voting Laws Could Hinge On Evidence Of Racism

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    So therefore; the only reason for supporting Voter ID must be "racism" rather than actual concerns for "voter fraud"?!
    Your logic is impeccable for someone under the age of 50. Do you know how many times I have heard an old southern person say, "I am not racist but" ? I have heard it a lot. That tells me that they are racists as all get out but they know it's socially unacceptable.

    No! Racism isn't the only reason to support Voter ID laws. If you are listening to a 70 year old white person that was born and raised in North Carolina that could be the only reason they like the Voter ID laws. Racism is not dead in our country. Surely you know at least one person over the age of 50.

    This issue aside: It is not uncommon when dealing with controversial topics to disguise your motivations. Would you disagree?

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Just checking back. Any proof of widespread voter fraud yet?
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