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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Since you didn't make a decision, which is it... "never" or "doesn't happen"?
    The question really should be: When was the last state or national election affected by voter fraud?

    Then there is the question: How many of the proven cases of voter fraud were a result of nothing more than stupidity on the part of the voter?

    and finally: Why have the Republicans used the fear of "voter fraud" to promote discriminatory laws restricting not just voters' rights but also their opportunities to vote? How does reducing the numbers of days citizens may vote reduce the chances for voter fraud?

    OK, so that was more than one question.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The question really should be: When was the last state or national election affected by voter fraud?
    No, my question stands but I doubt I'll get a straight answer.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No, my question stands but I doubt I'll get a straight answer.
    OK - is there voter fraud? Yes. Now - answer my question: What/when was the last election determined by voter fraud?

    Another question: Why has every investigation to date found the actual number of bad votes cast to be a microscopic fraction of all votes cast, yet the "fiscal conservatives" continue to throw money at a near non-existent problem?
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The question really should be: When was the last state or national election affected by voter fraud?

    Then there is the question: How many of the proven cases of voter fraud were a result of nothing more than stupidity on the part of the voter?

    and finally: Why have the Republicans used the fear of "voter fraud" to promote discriminatory laws restricting not just voters' rights but also their opportunities to vote? How does reducing the numbers of days citizens may vote reduce the chances for voter fraud?

    OK, so that was more than one question.
    Voter fraud is fificult to catch but it is easy to prevent. I hope there are an extraordinary amount of prosecutions as a result of improved communication between states and technology that catches those who try to game the system. We will never know how many elections were changed by voter fraud. That doesn't mean though that it doesn't exist.

    What laws are discriminatory and why do they discriminate?
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    OK - is there voter fraud? Yes.
    That wasn't my question, and my question wasn't directed at you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Now - answer my question: What/when was the last election determined by voter fraud?
    Irrelevant - voter fraud is illegal and therefore is punishible by law. The leading premise of your question is one of a victimless crime which is moronic. Voter fraud does not need to determine an election to be illegal. Ask better questions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Another question: Why has every investigation to date found the actual number of bad votes cast to be a microscopic fraction of all votes cast, yet the "fiscal conservatives" continue to throw money at a near non-existent problem?
    Microscopic compared to what? How much money was thrown exactly? You're questions are horribly biased and have no foundation. Which fiscal conservatives? As far as I'm concerned you need to stop making statements disguised as questions or at least, provide a foundation of fact to your accusations.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That wasn't my question, and my question wasn't directed at you.

    Irrelevant - voter fraud is illegal and therefore is punishible by law. The leading premise of your question is one of a victimless crime which is moronic. Voter fraud does not need to determine an election to be illegal.
    Ok so if the right is sooooo concerned about voting fraud why has nothing been done to stop any voter fraud with absentee ballots?

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The question really should be: When was the last state or national election affected by voter fraud?

    Then there is the question: How many of the proven cases of voter fraud were a result of nothing more than stupidity on the part of the voter?

    and finally: Why have the Republicans used the fear of "voter fraud" to promote discriminatory laws restricting not just voters' rights but also their opportunities to vote? How does reducing the numbers of days citizens may vote reduce the chances for voter fraud?

    OK, so that was more than one question.
    Good luck getting an answer to the bolded...

    or this one...
    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra
    Ok so if the right is sooooo concerned about voting fraud why has nothing been done to stop any voter fraud with absentee ballots?
    or the reasoning of any of these restrictive measures...

    end Election Day and same-day voter registration

    limit voter registration mobilization efforts


    In fact if voter ID is so great (I guess no one has ever heard of teenagers getting fake IDs) why register at all? All you have to do is make the photo background a certain color of everyone who is eligible to vote. Those ineligible to vote would have a different background color.

    To encourage voting, start with the premiss that everyone over 18 is eligible to vote. Instead of having to initiate the privilege (i.e. registering) to vote, put the burden on the system to have to remove the privilege.
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine View Post
    $100 says they wont prosecute any of them because Eric Holder directed his state attorney generals not to. I may not like our executive branch too much or the leadership provided...but the judicial branch is truly corrupt to the core. I have no trust in the judicial branch at all.
    state attorneys general are independent of the Federal justice department. AGs are in the Executive branch not the Judicial which are the courts.

    Maybe you should listen to someone else before you rant.

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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ok so if the right is sooooo concerned about voting fraud why has nothing been done to stop any voter fraud with absentee ballots?
    Absentee ballots are open to Democrats last I looked as well... you'll find my view is ALL voter fraud should be prosecuted and investigated. ALL voting should require an ID. ALL voting should be databased and duplicates removed, dead people removed, pets removed from voting. What I see is the left is sooooooo UN-concerned, and that begs the question .. why so unconcerned?
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    Re: N.C. just found thousands of felony-level voter fraud cases

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    When someone gets convicted in court come back and tell us all about it.

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