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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Here is a great defense for those throwing rocks from across the border...move back a little.

    If BP has to arrest a person in the proximity of the border...why not supply the agents with helmets and face shields?

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    Why not just shoot the bastards?

    Throw rocks, that's a deadly weapon, got shot, end of story.
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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    Do you have a link to that there policy, or did I miss something along the way here ?
    Fair point and after more research the don't shoot policy was exaggerated by the media. The new policy seems to be don't shoot unless you have to. Agents are now supposed to avoid situations where rocks are being thrown at them or back off when rocks are being thrown at them. This would seem to me to dramatically hinder agents catching illegal border crossings because all the illegals have to do is throw a rock at the agent or agents pursuing them. One guy with rocks could send the agents scurrying for cover while the rest of his groups makes good their escape. The following article is informative and interesting on this subject and it seems agents have always been very reticent to shoot people throwing rocks at them. They used good judgement and this new directive to back down seems unnecessary. They are now forced to let these people escape into the desert instead of advancing on them and saying in Spanish "stop throwing rocks at us or we will shoot you". The illegals now know that won't happen so they have new found control of the situation.


    "The United States Border Patrol has issued new guidelines for agents involved in rock throwing incidents. Contrary to widespread media reports, the new guidelines do not forbid agents from firing their weapons at rock throwers. But Border Patrol Chief Michael Fisher has told agents to avoid situations in which they have no alternative to using deadly force. In 2010, on the dry bed of the Rio Grande underneath the Paso del Norte bridge in Ciudad Juárez across from El Paso, Texas, a Mexican teenager approached the border fence. He was part of group allegedly throwing rocks at a Border Patrol agent. The 15-year-old was shot and killed by that agent. The case spawned a lawsuit and calls for a review of how the Border Patrol deals with “rocking” incidents, as they're called within law enforcement. U.S. Border Patrol El Paso Sector Deputy Chief Carry Huffman said he and his colleagues have already begun to implement the new policy. “What has changed is that this new directive provides guidance on diffusing circumstances before they get to the point where use-of-force might be necessary,” Huffman said. He says that from his level down to the Border Patrol academy, the job now is to reinforce the notion that agents should try, when possible, to avoid firing at rock throwers. But statistics show the Border Patrol has been proactive on this issue well before the new guideline was crafted. Since 2010, agents have been assaulted with rocks 1,700 times. Agents fired back 43 times — 10 people have been killed. Border Patrol Refines Tactics For Rock-Throwing Attacks | Fronteras Desk
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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Why not just shoot the bastards?

    Throw rocks, that's a deadly weapon, got shot, end of story.
    I stole this from post #12.


    "The United States Border Patrol has issued new guidelines for agents involved in rock throwing incidents. Contrary to widespread media reports, the new guidelines do not forbid agents from firing their weapons at rock throwers.

    But Border Patrol Chief Michael Fisher has told agents to avoid situations in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.
    that means if an agent does not need to be in direct contact...in stones throw distance....then don't be.

    You go down to the border and blast as many rock throwers as you wish; the BP has rules.


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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I stole this from post #12.




    that means if an agent does not need to be in direct contact...in stones throw distance....then don't be.

    You go down to the border and blast as many rock throwers as you wish; the BP has rules.
    Avoiding a rock throwing situation means avoiding doing your job which is to stop illegal border crossings.

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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    I stole this from post #12.




    that means if an agent does not need to be in direct contact...in stones throw distance....then don't be.

    You go down to the border and blast as many rock throwers as you wish; the BP has rules.
    Effectively all criminals have to do is bend over and the border patrol is forced to flee. Brilliance!
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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Avoiding a rock throwing situation means avoiding doing your job which is to stop illegal border crossings.
    1750texan has no issue with this.
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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Avoiding a rock throwing situation means avoiding doing your job which is to stop illegal border crossings.
    That is not the case.

    A person on the other side of the border is not the concern of a BP agent. The job of a BP agent is to aprehend and return persons who unlawfully enter the US. BP agents job is not to 'stop' illegal border crossing.


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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Effectively all criminals have to do is bend over and the border patrol is forced to flee. Brilliance!
    Do you not comprehend that people on the other side of the border throw rocks. What crime did they violate? Does Texas law, US law, also apply to Mexican citizens.

    Shooting back over the border is not allowing "criminals" carte blance. BP officials have told BP agents not to confront and escalate people on the Mexican side of the border to where it comes to use of deadly force...

    That is not that hard to understand.


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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    1750texan has no issue with this.
    Your assessment of me is as incorrect as your assessment of this situation.


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    Re: Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol's Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks

    This is nothing new on the border. They hide and keep a lookout for when the coast is clear so they can sneak drugs, undocumented democrats, and weapons across. And they harass the BP whenever they can.


    Most Americans have no idea what happens on the border.

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